The Motor Mount Thread

[Colepidd55]

Just put in my jbr rmm 88a today and it took me about 30min.. Stock one was shitty.lol vibes are pretty nasty right now but I'm guessing they'll get better.

[Gitcherex]

Im looking at the JBR trilogy kit, and I seen that its recommended for the 80 rmm and tmm but only a 70 pmm. Would this not cause excessive wear on the mounts because two of them are vibrating more (or something)? Also I seen that JBR posted a 10% off code a while back, is there another sale coming up for Columbus day or an actual holiday lol.

[HBspeed]

Installing JBR motor mounts, the torque specs in the directions from JBR differ from the shop manual torque specs for the bolts attaching the to the motor and the frame. Should the shop manual torque specs (higher) or the JBR torque specs (lower) be followed?

[JBR]

Use the lower spec.

[HBspeed]

What about for the transmission motor mount? No torque specs are listed in the JBR directions for that one

[JBR]

Originally Posted by HBspeed What about for the transmission motor mount? No torque specs are listed in the JBR directions for that one

For ms6? Can't hardly get a torque wrench on any of the bolts. Just get them tight.

[93GTS]

Originally Posted by jbarone For ms6? Can't hardly get a torque wrench on any of the bolts. Just get them tight.

Strange, didn't have any issue getting a 14" HF 1/2" drive torque wrench on mine with a shallow 6pt craftsman socket. Car was on ramps, but would have probably been higher on a set of stands.

[Jap11g]

I thought they were when I installed mine. Could be wrong... Maybe I used the oem spec.

[HBspeed]

Thank y'all, installed, running great!

[meicalnissyen]

Sooooooo,

I have been driving the car with a TRZ TMM, JBR PMM, and The RMM I put on years ago, can't remember the brand its a one piece proly the medieval. I checked it once awhile ago when I felt clunks shifting hard and it was tight and intact (shoulda checked PMM,haha)

so, with the current setup, feels great from a perfomance aspect, and the vibes are there, for sure, but I am ok with the tactile vibes, not a driving issue

The NOISE, however is a deal breaker. Its horrendous intrudes on conversation, the stereo, masks other car sounds which are important to be aware of.

Its gotta go.

I'm going to try leaving the JBR in and putting the OEM TMM back in place as a test since my oem PMM is blown and the TMM appears intact.
if that largely corrects the noise (which is the engine vibes inducing something to vibrate in the midbass range, dashparts, firewall???)
then I guess I leave it , or find another TMM, or mod the TRZ ( TMM fairly simple, PMM fairly techy.

has anyone else tried to chase down the source of the noise, and muffled it ?? added Dynamat etc?

[Raider]

I had mad vibes. TRZ trans mount bushing after 40-50k was wore. JBR went in, vibes and sound settled.

I would pull the rear. Swap anything midevil.

[meicalnissyen]

right on
dunno for sure the RMM brand, its the one that had the rep for bad welds back in the day. mine was a wednesday unit

Duno how many miles on the TMM, looks newish, but with a small, hard bushing

[Inquisitive]

Genpu MMs:

• JBR RMM 88 & unknown durometer
• CP-E RMM Stage 2
• JBR TMM unknown
• CorkSport RMM
• JBR PMM unknown
• JBR RMM 80
• Sure RMM TorqR3 WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730
• JBR PMM 80
• JBR RMM 70
• Cobb RMM
• CorkSport TMM
• Damond Motorsports RMM
• JBR PMM 70 & 88
• CP-E TMM
• TRZ RMM
• CorkSport PMM
• Street Unit RMM WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730
• Ford Electric Focus RMM (RMM part number CM5Z-6068-A; bolt W500545S900)
• Minerva PMM & TMM (probably best to avoid, see Minerva Motorwerkz? )
• Sure PMM & TMM WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730
• AWR RMM 88
• Torque Solution RMM
• Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount
• Turbine Tech Differential Mount

Update using 2015 prices:

JBR RMM Urethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
JBR RMM Urethane MS6
MS3
JBR RMM Urethane MS3
MS6 (Yes: 80a $105), MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 88a $100, 80a $125, 70a $125), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 88a $100, 80a $125, 70a $125)

CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS6
MS3
CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS3
MS6 (Yes: 70a xFlex) $139, MS3 1st Gen (Not found), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $198

JBR TMM Urethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
JBR TMM Urethane MS6
MS3
JBR TMM Urethane MS3
MS6 (Yes: 80a, 70a) $175, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 88a, 80a, 70a) $185, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 88a, 80a, 70a) $185

CorkSport RMM Urethane
MS6's Insert

MS6's Full Replacement

MS3's Insert

MS3's Full Replacement

MS3's Race

Available from:
MS6
CorkSport RMM Urethane MS6
MS3
CorkSport RMM Urethane MS3 Gen1
CorkSport RMM Urethane MS3 Gen2
MS6 (Yes, Standard 70a) $115.99, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: Insert 70a $39.99, Standard 80a $99.99, Race 80a $125.99), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: Insert 70a $39.99, Standard 80a $99.99, Race 80a $125.99)

JBR PMM Urethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
JBR PMM Urethane MS6
MS3
JBR PMM Urethane MS3
MS6 (Yes: 80a, 70a) $175, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 80a, 70a) $185, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 80a, 70a) $185

Cobb RMM

Available from: Cobb RMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes) $159, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $159

CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS6
MS3
CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS3
MS6 (Yes) $54.99, MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $39.99

Damond Motorsports RMM

Available from: Damond Motorsports RMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $145 in black or gold mount and black or red bushing

CP-E TMM

Available from: CP-E TMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes, 75a) $271.30, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes, 75a) $271.30

TRZ RMM

Available from: TRZ RMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $100

CorkSport PMM

Available from: CorkSport PMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $229.99

Ford Electric Focus RMM (RMM part number CM5Z-6068-A; bolt W500545S900)

Available from: local Ford dealership
MS6 (Not confirmed), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $43.92 + $1.10

AWR RMM Urethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
AWR RMM Urethane MS6
MS3
AWR RMM Urethane MS3
MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $82, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $95, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $95

AWR PMM Urethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
AWR PMM Urethane MS6
MS3
AWR PMM Urethane MS3
MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172

AWR TMM Urethane
MS6

MS3

Available from:
MS6
AWR TMM Urethane MS6
MS3
AWR TMM Urethane MS3
MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $140, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $225, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $225

Torque Solution RMM Polyurethane

Available from: Torque Solution RMM Polyurethane MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes, 75a) $134.99, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes, 75a) $134.99

TRZ TMM

Available from: TRZ TMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $100

Damond Motorsports PMM

Available from:
Damond Motorsports PMM MS3
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $225 in black or gold mount and black or red bushing

Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount
MS6

MS3 Gen 1

MS3 Gen 2

Available from:
MS6
Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS6
MS3 Gen 1
Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS3 Gen 1
MS3 Gen 2
Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS3 Gen 2
MS6 (Yes) $359, MS3 1st Gen (Yes) $399, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $379

Turbine Tech Differential Mount

Available from: Turbine Tech Differential Mount MS6
MS6 (Yes) $289, MS3 1st Gen (Not found), MS3 2nd Gen (Not found)

[Raider]

Originally Posted by Inquisitive Genpu MMs: • JBR RMM 88 & unknown durometer • CP-E RMM Stage 2 • JBR TMM unknown • CorkSport RMM • JBR PMM unknown • JBR RMM 80 • Sure RMM TorqR3 WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730 • JBR PMM 80 • JBR RMM 70 • Cobb RMM • CorkSport TMM • Damond Motorsports RMM • JBR PMM 70 & 88 • CP-E TMM • TRZ RMM • CorkSport PMM • Street Unit RMM WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730 • Ford Electric Focus RMM (RMM part number CM5Z-6068-A; bolt W500545S900) • Minerva PMM & TMM (probably best to avoid, see Minerva Motorwerkz? ) • Sure PMM & TMM WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730 • AWR RMM 88 • Torque Solution RMM Update using 2015 prices: JBR RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 JBR RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 JBR RMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 80a $105), MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 88a $100, 80a $125, 70a $125), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 88a $100, 80a $125, 70a $125) CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS6 MS3 CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS3 MS6 (Yes: 70a xFlex) $139, MS3 1st Gen (Not found), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $198 JBR TMM Urethane Available from: MS6 JBR TMM Urethane MS6 MS3 JBR TMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 80a, 70a) $175, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 88a, 80a, 70a) $185, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 88a, 80a, 70a) $185 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS6's Insert MS6's Full Replacement MS3's Insert MS3's Full Replacement MS3's Race Available from: MS6 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS3 Gen1 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS3 Gen2 MS6 (Yes, Standard 70a) $115.99, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: Insert 70a $39.99, Standard 80a $99.99, Race 80a $125.99), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: Insert 70a $39.99, Standard 80a $99.99, Race 80a $125.99) JBR PMM Urethane MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 JBR PMM Urethane MS6 MS3 JBR PMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 80a, 70a) $175, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 80a, 70a) $185, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 80a, 70a) $185 Cobb RMM Available from: Cobb RMM MS3 MS6 (Not found) $, MS3 1st Gen (Yes) $159, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $159 CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS6 MS3 CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS3 MS6 (Yes) $54.99, MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $39.99 Damond Motorsports RMM Available from: Damond Motorsports RMM MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $145 in black or gold CP-E TMM Available from: CP-E TMM MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes, 75a) $271.30, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes, 75a) $271.30 TRZ RMM Available from: TRZ RMM MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $100 CorkSport PMM Available from: CorkSport PMM MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $229.99 Ford Electric Focus RMM (RMM part number CM5Z-6068-A; bolt W500545S900) Available from: MS6 (Not confirmed), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $43.92 + $1.10 AWR RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 AWR RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 AWR RMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $82, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $95, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $95 AWR PMM Urethane MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172 AWR TMM Urethane MS6 MS3 Available from: MS6 AWR TMM Urethane MS6 MS3 AWR TMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $140, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $225, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $225 Torque Solution RMM Polyurethane Available from: Torque Solution RMM Polyurethane MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes, 75a) $134.99, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes, 75a) $134.99 TRZ TMM Available from: TRZ TMM MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $100

I like this a lot! Does anyone else have info to add?

[Raider]

This is GREAT! The biggest thing I can ask of you, is to update the whole OP, so I can copy and paste it all in. One thing I am seeing, is missing images. For theones missing, I am asking you go to their site and fined and link the newer image. Feel free to save and upload in your post here for permanent hosting.

Protege Garage is now FJ Motorsports, but there is no PMM from PG.

[TiGraySpeed6]

To prevent confusion, this is the Speed3 mount thread after all, you may wish to remove the bit that says "MS6 (Not found)," since most of the listed companies make mounts for the 6

[Raider]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 To prevent confusion, this is the Speed3 mount thread after all, you may wish to remove the bit that says "MS6 (Not found)," since most of the listed companies make mounts for the 6

This is actually THE motor mount thread, copied in both sections.

Wanna split it up, all I need is 2 posts. 1 MS6. 1 MS3.

[JBR]

Just wanted to update these more accurate information...

MS3:
• JBR RMM 70, 80, 88
• JBR TMM 70, 80, 88
• JBR PMM 70, 80

MS6:
• JBR RMM 80
• JBR TMM 70, 80
• JBR PMM 70, 80

[TiGraySpeed6]

I'm fine with the content being the same in both, certainly easier to copy/paste!

This being the case then, let's just change my earlier comments to reflect that most of those companies make mounts or inserts for the 6, the following are easily found-

CPE Speed6 Mounts-
RMM - 70a Rubber - http://cp-e.com/webstore/product/maz...r-motor-mount/

Corksport Speed6 Mount & Inserts-
RMM - Urethane - http://corksport.com/corksport-mazda...tor-mount.html
TMM Insert - Polyurethane - http://corksport.com/corksport-2006-...nt-insert.html

JBR Speed6 Mounts-
http://www.jamesbaroneracing.com/sho...ath=42_213_245
RMM - 80 Urethane
PMM - 80 & 70 Urethane
TMM - 80 & 70 Urethane

AWR Speed6 Mounts-
RMM - 70, 88, 95 Urethane - http://store.awrracing.com/engine-mo...07-rear-lower/
PMM - 70, 88, 95 Urethane - http://store.awrracing.com/engine-mo...assenger-side/
TMM - 70, 88, 95 Urethane - http://store.awrracing.com/transmiss...t-mazdaspeed6/

SURE Speed6 Mounts-
RMM - Urethane - http://www.suremotorsports.com/product-p/sure0547-1.htm
PMM - Urethane - http://www.suremotorsports.com/product-p/sure0551-1.htm
TMM - Urethane - http://www.suremotorsports.com/product-p/sure0550-1.htm
Urethane listed as Street, Aggressive or Track, duro not provided

[tegxsi]

I saw that @Inquisitive; listed the Ford Focus RMM. I'd like to contribute by adding the Ford part numbers.

Electric Focus RMM: CM5Z-6068-A
Bolt: W500545S900

[Inquisitive]

@Raider;

I cannot update the OP, but you should be able to quote, copy and paste mine into the OP with your super-user privileges.

@jbarone;

Thanks for the durometer numbers. Just for clarity, it wasn’t that I didn’t know your numbers, it was that the MSF member didn’t put the numbers in their signature or personal profile. Like many vendors, you will find that I have visited many members already to get my descending ranking order. With threads like this it is often asked, “Which is the best?” This is difficult to answer as some consider best quality at any price, personal preference / bragging rights / street cred (popular brand), best value (quality at a good price), popularity (local Nator), cheapest price, etc. Like the Wiki and my other threads, this is just a list in descending Genpu purchased popularity order and not meant to be a slight upon JBR's good name. I have placed the durometer numbers in the images section.

@TiGraySpeed6;

Thanks for the links. Uploaded.

@tegxsi;

Thanks for the Ford part numbers and images.

[Raider]

I can easily edit the post 1, no problemo. But for some reason, the new update looks to be missing a lot.

TO get the details from the OP, you can choose to quote it. It will give you the details of the OP, and then you can edit as needed, then post it up all with everything from images to product links.

[Inquisitive]

@Raider;

Many of the OP’s images are URL links, which are broken as that is the nature of the Internet over time. My images are embedded jpgs and should have more permanency.

If by “missing a lot” you meant images and "available from" URLs in my post, that exercise is now complete. Juggling 25 images was interesting. Please let me know if I inserted any incorrectly or if anything is missing.

If you meant the OP’s words, I have RhoadBlock’s quote and can add his words to my post The Motor Mount Thread as appropriate.

[08.5MS3]

There is no TRZ PMM, only the rear motor mount and TMM. May want to update the P to a T in the description and link. Perhaps it was a simple typo after looking at all these damn mounts.

[Raider]

TMM, not PMM. Fixed.

[ibcrusn]

Was in scoping out the refresh and found Damond's PMM missing and figured I'd post up the info to add.

Available from: Damond Motorsports PMM
MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $225 in black or gold

[Inquisitive]

Updated

• Added JBR RMM MS3 image
• JBR TMM: the unnamed image was the MS6, now named and added MS3’s image
• Fixed broken JBR PMM MS6 image
• Removed orphaned “$” in Cobb RMM MS6
• Added DM RMM MS6 image and price (Thanks @ibcrusn; )
• Fixed broken AWR RMM MS6 image

We are now up to 30 images.

[genpu007]

thanks for this, very useful! I am going to have to look further into this!

[TiGraySpeed6]

Please, in the future limit or trim quotes- there was no need to completely repeat the original post in order to express your appreciation!

Thanks, and glad you found it helpful.


There @Raider; I'm being nice....

[genpu007]

Oh god I'm sorry! I don't know how that happened

[Raider]

OP updated! Thanks, @Inquisitive;!

[Raider]

Uh, i just saw the Damond Motorsports RMM pic is the PMM, and no PMM in your post, @Inquisitive;. Can you update it and I can copy it up to the OP and Knowledgebase?

[Douggievee]

Ok, so for the MS6 I wanna do the 80 JBR Trilogy, the Turbine Tech FMM, Turbine Tech Front dif mount and CP-e rear dif mount. Would this be the best complete mount solution I could do for my 10 year old car to get eall the mounts up to spec?

[Raider]

That sounds like a plan to me. Will keep it all in check!

[mituc]

Did anyone have the chance to ride either the same car or similarly modified cars with the CS Race mount with the 80DURO bushings and the Cobb RMM? I guess both do a similar job at holding the motor in place but I'm interested in the added NVH comparison.

CS doesn't have the 70DURO bushings any more for their race mount and so far this was the perfect mount for me (I don't mind changing the bushings every 15-20k miles, but I mind the added NVH), so now because I'm at the last set of 70DURO I'm searching for the quietest replacement which is still on the market.

Or is there a quieter option than these two (of course, also suitable for holding nearly 450 pounds of torque away from the firewall)?

[JBR]

Originally Posted by mituc Did anyone have the chance to ride either the same car or similarly modified cars with the CS Race mount with the 80DURO bushings and the Cobb RMM? I guess both do a similar job at holding the motor in place but I'm interested in the added NVH comparison. CS doesn't have the 70DURO bushings any more for their race mount and so far this was the perfect mount for me (I don't mind changing the bushings every 15-20k miles, but I mind the added NVH), so now because I'm at the last set of 70DURO I'm searching for the quietest replacement which is still on the market. Or is there a quieter option than these two (of course, also suitable for holding nearly 450 pounds of torque away from the firewall)?

We still offer our 70 duro rear mount.

[mituc]

Originally Posted by jbarone We still offer our 70 duro rear mount.

Thank you! Everybody talks about your 80 and 88 DURO mounts so I wasn't even aware you offer a mount with better comfort even if I'm pretty familiar with your product line.
Can you tell what is the diameter of the center bushings of the 70DURO mount? It looks like I really need to add the JBR 70DURO to my comparison list.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by mituc Thank you! Everybody talks about your 80 and 88 DURO mounts so I wasn't even aware you offer a mount with better comfort even if I'm pretty familiar with your product line. Can you tell what is the diameter of the center bushings of the 70DURO mount? It looks like I really need to add the JBR 70DURO to my comparison list.

The bushing diameter is 3". It's very big and provides a lot of deflection.

[mituc]

Ok, I decided to give the JBR 70DURO RMM a try and also purchased a set of 80DURO bushings plus another spare 70DURO. Since I had all the soft mounts in history this was the only one that was missing from my drawer.

The CS race mount I have is on its last set of 70DURO bushings which are almost fresh, they have like 2k miles on them, so in case things will not go well with the JBR (which I doubt, but always possible since all comes down to a matter of taste and personal preference) I will still have a backup for a while (20k kms/12k miles or so).

[mudawg]

Got a cs race mount and it's awesome. Can't beat it since it was free! Vibs are not bad at all. Actually was pretty surprised as I thought they would be more. No more missing third hopefully. The stock one had 60k and was wasted.