Are side motor mounts and transmission mount really necessary?

[the95z]

I tried searching and no luck.
Ok I know the RMM is needed. I will be doing CPE 65 duro.

But I cannot get the answer if side motor mounts on this car are actually bad? Are they NECESSARY? will they break at the track? Or should they be fine till say..55k miles? Im at 25k.

Also..is the transmission mount NECESSARY? will it break at the track? If so..which Im almost sure the tranny mount IS needed..which will cause the least vibrations?

And I hear the kicker mount is really NOT necessary...it doesnt do much for both wheel hop or vibrations..I hear all it does is add vibrations..and its just an 'IN CASE' mod.

These are the only mods ever going to be on car: sri/tip, bov, full exhaust, manifold, coilovers, fmic, tune, NGK iridium spark plugs, and shifter accessories. So really, I dont think we should hit anymore than 330whp. So what is NECESSARY and what is NOT? Please dont make this bias just because you have bought either or. Even if you own side mounts...do you think they were REALLY necessary? THANKS GUYS! Trying to save money on things that arent really neeeded haha so I can get the fmic sooner hee

[xcoldricex]

nothing is NECESSARY. you need to learn to search better, there's a bunch of threads on all of these things.

can you drop your tranny? yes. can your side motor mount explode? yes. there have been more dropped transmissions than side motor mounts exploding/breaking, but i haven't seen either in awhile. both are helpful. i didn't have either for ~50k miles.

i don't know where you're getting your information, but all the reviews on the kicker mount on here are positive, including mine. but it is NOT NECESSARY either.

and... you probably want to get a fuel pump if you're doing all of that.

[Hectik1]

Tranny mount.....necessary no. Recommended YES!!!!

[the95z]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex nothing is NECESSARY. you need to learn to search better, there's a bunch of threads on all of these things. can you drop your tranny? yes. can your side motor mount explode? yes. there have been more dropped transmissions than side motor mounts exploding/breaking, but i haven't seen either in awhile. both are helpful. i didn't have either for ~50k miles. i don't know where you're getting your information, but all the reviews on the kicker mount on here are positive, including mine. but it is NOT NECESSARY either. and... you probably want to get a fuel pump if you're doing all of that.

I suck at searching..sorry. And you arent clear on what is and isnt necessary for my mod list..

Did you race often for 50k miles? your mods? And really?? fuel pump?? just with these mods? stock fuel pump is that bad??

I guess I read some bad reviews on kicker mount

hectik...y is it recommended? thx guys!

[xcoldricex]

i thought i was being very clear.

[karl-hungus]

i have the trz mounts (rear & tranny) and top speed passenger mount.

long fail story, but i had to put my stock rear mount back in for a week and didn't notice any difference.

that being said, i recommend the tranny mount if you only get one. it seems to lock the motor down the best. it's the hardest to access / replace so i can see why folks shy away.

[8.5MS3]

fuel pump - necessary
mounts - highly recommended

[nyghtryder]

rmm/tranny mount-necessary for track
fuel pump-necessary eventually-stock degrades over time the dh will be able to show you when its going bad
dashawk-necessary now
kicker mount-not necessary but will greatly help on the track

since you suck at searching-look at cxracing fmic on ebay never seen any complaints and their kit is around 500 shipped.

[the95z]

Originally Posted by nyghtryder rmm/tranny mount-necessary for track fuel pump-necessary eventually-stock degrades over time the dh will be able to show you when its going bad dashawk-necessary now kicker mount-not necessary but will greatly help on the track since you suck at searching-look at cxracing fmic on ebay never seen any complaints and their kit is around 500 shipped.

Now this is what I am talking about..straight to the point and helpful! Thanks.

Fuel pump sucks? damnit..what is a dh? is it that dashhawk you speak of? I will google this..

I will get rmm and tranny mount before hitting the track. Side mounts/kicker can wait till like 60k miles Im sure.

[flyrevs2]

1) rear mm, necessary for sure , the stocker sucks bad, CP-E recommended unless if you like vibrations
2) PTP kicker, used with an upgraded rear MM, gets rid of all wheel hop, when adjusted correctly very little added vibs, stiffens up the suspension 100% better, I have vibs and love my kicker - now I never have wheel hop

[the95z]

I checked up on dashhawk..na. It just reads stuff and has a pretty shift light and stuff...Ill save an extra 300 for the cobb accessport that does all that plus tune or a hypertech..

ARE THERE ANY FUEL PUMPS that arent 600 dollars??! sheez louise! woah..

Thanks guys.

[flyrevs2]

fuel pump upgrade, PTP internals way cheaper , check it out

[the95z]

^^ is this what you speak of?

Protege Garage - PTP Fuel Pump Internals Kit - 2.3 DISI

Phew...300 bucks cheaper..thank god..still quite a hefty amount but Im glad..this should be good for up to 400whp correct?

[xcoldricex]

haha it just reads stuff... yeah, important stuff. you're probably more likely to blow up your engine than dropping your tranny. but you're right, you can use the cobb ap, but you can only see one thing at a time.

i think plenty of people track without side and transmission mounts. most of the people i've talked to that have been to track days and have talked to the other ms3 owners all have been stock. i don't think freeflyfreak has upgraded mounts and he's tracked his car a few times.

so i answered your question, they aren't NECESSARY. people autox all day on stock mounts.

sure, everything is "recommended", just like track brake pads, stainless steel lines, etc. which you didn't even mention.

[the95z]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex haha it just reads stuff... yeah, important stuff. you're probably more likely to blow up your engine than dropping your tranny. but you're right, you can use the cobb ap, but you can only see one thing at a time. i think plenty of people track without side and transmission mounts. most of the people i've talked to that have been to track days and have talked to the other ms3 owners all have been stock. i don't think freeflyfreak has upgraded mounts and he's tracked his car a few times. so i answered your question, they aren't NECESSARY. people autox all day on stock mounts. sure, everything is "recommended", just like track brake pads, stainless steel lines, etc. which you didn't even mention.

Interesting...interesting..so..these mounts you speak of? ;p

haha jk. THANKS! Yeah..cobb ap I believe is just a better all around than dashhawk...DH is RIDICULOUSLY overpriced..It may read stuff..but thats all it does...may be important if you are running 450whp or more..but that will never be the case here haha.

[flyrevs2]

running stock rear MM = fail
your engine will flail around like Obama trying provide leadership in the gulf oil spill

Cobb Ap is a tuner 1st, monitoring device second
DH is a monitoring device ONLY

[xcoldricex]

we aren't even at 450hp yet.

[CloudX]

i fail for not having a dashhawk yet, but ive done several runs with a friends to make sure things are ok.. but what if you get a shitty tank of gas and you want to race your friends buick regal gs and you start getting some knock and you're not running meth yet because its recommended for 400hp++ usually and your engine goes pop because you didn't know you were knocking at wot and it was hot outside.... whooops

[the95z]

^^ LOL. nope ..that we are not.

AND LOOOL at obama joke hahahahahaha.

Yeah..but cobb ap TUNES man it TUNES!!! MUAHAHAH

Originally Posted by CloudX i fail for not having a dashhawk yet, but ive done several runs with a friends to make sure things are ok.. but what if you get a shitty tank of gas and you want to race your friends buick regal gs and you start getting some knock and you're not running meth yet because its recommended for 400hp++ usually and your engine goes pop because you didn't know you were knocking at wot and it was hot outside.... whooops

damn....you covered all possible angles huh? ;p

[CloudX]

lol, btw my girlfriend likes your avatar. its dope i like it too..


and im just giving you a hard time lol.. do you race the prelude in the speed?

[the95z]

Originally Posted by CloudX lol, btw my girlfriend likes your avatar. its dope i like it too.. and im just giving you a hard time lol.. do you race the prelude in the speed?

hahah...man she should see my wifes ms3...hello kitty sticker on back...hello kitty windshield reflector when parked for sun...hello kitty hanging from rear view mirror..hahaha crazy..but not overdone...its like those honda boys putting those jdm brown looking things on their cars ;p

the prelude gets its ass handed to..but shiiiiet...I just pull up the windows and COMMENCE PIMPIN HOES ;p (my wife slapped me for this comment)




a few teaser pics

[CloudX]

haha dude, pics of the speed! my cosmetic plans for our car had to include pink brake calipers and my custom bars will be powder coated pink when i'm done making all of them. thats all the pink i'll allow haha

[the95z]

^^ waaaaa pink..you let her put pink!! haha jk. the womens are a VERY powerful mod..they tunes your life..and make your heart run on 9999whp while still having your brain have 9999mpg ;p

[CloudX]

lol thats some funny shit man! yah it's her car too what can I say. pearl white with pink accents fuck it! roll out..

[the95z]

dam some hot pink bbs wheels would look hawt..trust me..ive seen neon purple ones on cpw ms3..looked HAWWWT

[8.5MS3]

i have an ap
i have a dashawk

the ap is never in the car, only pulled off the shelf to swap maps for whatever reason

the dh is always in the car

id rather risk someone breaking into my car and stealing something i paid 150 for rather than something with a $500 tune + $600 for the AP itself

just saying.

[the95z]

^^ thats why you use the cobb ap..and disconnect and take with your person when you leave car..its just 1.unplug. and voila.

[xcoldricex]

who the hell carries around their AP with them.

[nyghtryder]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex who the hell carries around their AP with them.

seriously, plus that janky connector is going to break off the 3rd time you try this.

I ran an entire season on stock mounts from the car at 100miles(when i got from the dealer) to 8000miles(end of season) did about 20 pulls at the track and drive aggressively 50% of the time on the street. I also am having trans problems which i personally think are related to the shitty mounts and the amount of movement the powertrain is allowed to make. Along with the crappy cable shifter we have I have destroyed 3rd. Once the tranny gets rebuilt all 4 mounts going on cuz im tired of driving like a grama now.

OP: yes the dh only monitors things, but this car needs to be monitored. Its not like your honda. Alot of mods you will get have breakin periods which require this monitoring too, including the fp you want to get. The ap screen has a tendency to burn images into itself making it worthless. The ap screen is smaller than the dh and you can only monitor one pid at a time.

[the95z]

Hypertech then? And well..he said it was because someone would steal it..now you are saying not to disconnect because it will break? well I would do that..but that contradicts what he said..and it will end up getting stolen?

Haha..dashawk bandwagon in here..Im sorry but i see no real use for DH unless youre running some serious 375whp+ Im sorry

[xcoldricex]

sorry, but you should listen to people on here. like it or not, we have had our cars for much longer than you and know the issues.

since you don't listen anyway or express any interest in knowing why, i'm not giving you any more advice. that's why i said your wife's car is up for some fail.

[the95z]

^^ because all you have to say is what I can predict you saying...its nothing but bs to back up your 200 dollar purchase which I believe is worthless unless you are going to have that power..

You will say things like..'you can monitor your fuel..a/f..bla bla bla because you need to check up on stuff like that because our cars have bla bla bla..'

Sorry..but monitoring without the hp is useless..so the 200 is useless..hey but it looks cool on your dash huh? :p haha

Hey...Ive had my dick longer than you...so should I tell YOU the issues and how to use it? Yeah..excuse me...but you saying that type of comment made YOU look like fail..

[8.5MS3]

Can't wait for your fuel pressure on your stock pump to dip, causing lean afrs and massive kr. Which, with a properly setup dashhawk, would be flashing all kinds of alarms while youre doing your virtual quarter mile on your ap.

Since you know what this car does and does not need why are you here asking questions...

yea and what happens when you get pick pocketed. not only are you out your wallet or whatever else, theres 1100 bucks or so gone...

now u gotta call cobb, buy a new ap, send them your ECU, AND pay 300 to have them unmarry the old and remarry the new.


OP you are a tard

[xcoldricex]

Originally Posted by the95z Hey...Ive had my dick longer than you...so should I tell YOU the issues and how to use it? Yeah..excuse me...but you saying that type of comment made YOU look like fail..

this is the stupidest analogy i have ever heard.

but following this analogy, i guess you didn't listen to the people that told you to wear jimmy hats either?

[the95z]

Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 Can't wait for your fuel pressure on your stock pump to dip, causing lean afrs and massive kr. Which, with a properly setup dashhawk, would be flashing all kinds of alarms while youre doing your virtual quarter mile on your ap. Since you know what this car does and does not need why are you here asking questions... yea and what happens when you get pick pocketed. not only are you out your wallet or whatever else, theres 1100 bucks or so gone... now u gotta call cobb, buy a new ap, send them your ECU, AND pay 300 to have them unmarry the old and remarry the new. OP you are a tard

Uh...wow..youre situation entails I am stupid and cant notice fuel cut...this car will not be a damn race car..it will race every 2 months or so..TARDS...I dont need a damn DH for that..Im not going ALL OUT..sigh..understand? If I get fuel cut in future..I know its time for a damn fuel pump..I dont need a damn DH to tell me that...I have a brain..do you? Ill use those 200 towards a pump or internals thank you very much.

and when I asked questions I asked about the damn mount...DH fanboys jumped in here and started promoting their 200 dollar purchase..because I guess thats all they can do besides look at it when they enter their car hahaha .."ill just show it off on the forums where people will actually appreciate it because Im kinda getting bored of it and I need someone to oooo and aaaahhh it so I can feel better about my 200 bucks badly spent" hahaha

Wallet example...uh I have no idea what you meant..or how it relates..

Jump on that DH bandwagon guys! haha wheres the :bandwagon: image haha

and coldrice..nioce comeback oooooo hahahahaha <<< sarcastic for you NOBRAINERS

[8.5MS3]

lolz

by the time you hit fuel cut, youll be missing a piston. this is a DI car, not a POS prelude. Fuel must be injected at 1600+psi and even if you dip to 900, you will not experience fuel cut, but you will risk blowing the motor....

the wallet comment was in reference to you walking around with the ap in your pocket

dont come into this forum and try to preach about how much you think you know about cars and modding, ABSOLUTELY none of it applies to this platform.

get your wife in here, maybe we can talk sense into her

[the95z]

Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 lolz by the time you hit fuel cut, youll be missing a piston. this is a DI car, not a POS prelude. Fuel must be injected at 1600+psi and even if you dip to 900, you will not experience fuel cut, but you will risk blowing the motor.... the wallet comment was in reference to you walking around with the ap in your pocket dont come into this forum and try to preach about how much you think you know about cars and modding, ABSOLUTELY none of it applies to this platform. get your wife in here, maybe we can talk sense into her

cute..when did I preach? when did I say I knew everything? If I did..I wouldnt have made this thread about motor mounts? Welcome to the real world buddy...learn to READ...you contradict yourself in every post.. no why the fuk would I walk around with ap...I meant when arriving back at home..remove...take inside..at a store or something why the fuk would I walk around with it? although I could..its small. But i wouldnt. And if it gets stolen well..so wouldve the DH..so whats the fukin difference? That the cobb ap functioned in more ways for me than the DH before getting stolen hahaah
I love how you say POS prelude lol..i can care less LOL..is this grade school? I do own an ms3 too you know LOL..loser.

And..trust me..you can notice fuel cut before a piston going out...watch this vid:

YouTube - Mazda speed 3 vs STI hatchback

YouTube - Mazda speed 3 vs STI hatchback

notice the fuel cut? or dont you have a brain?

Also notice what he says at the end..I think he meant it towards u.. FUCK YOU YOU LITTLE CUNT..hahahahahaha

as simple as dat..as simple as dat as simple as dat for your simple ass.

[P5_2_MS3]

This thread has gotten a bit OT, but I have a question regarding the transmission-side mount and I didn't want to start a new thread.

[xcoldricex]

start a new thread.