Rebuilt K04 w/ EWG

[802MS3]

Would it be beneficial to run a rebuilt K04 with an EWG? Would it be worth the extra money? I'm obviously not trying to go above 350whp.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 Would it be beneficial to run a rebuilt K04 with an EWG? Would it be worth the extra money? I'm obviously not trying to go above 350whp.

waste of time

[bf360]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 waste of time

if he doesnt want to go big turbo its not a bad idea, especially if hes going to run a lot of boost, the ewg would help with more solid boost, and it would sound cool, but if you dont want more than 350whp i would say get something that can hold power to redline at least, like a 2871

[smakdown61]

Maybe on a reworked k04 but definately not a stock one. If you start getting into a high enough psi that you need an ewg, you are waaaay out of the efficiency range of the turbo. PnP it out would probably be about as far as I would go.

[whoosh@Realtune]

if boost control was an issue then this makes sense but I'd bet anything that if you have boost control issues with the stock snail or a reworked stock, you have done something wrong

[Darksun280]

An external reworked K04 is gonna spike and drop off no matter what. I just feel for the custom setup is not worth the time or money. I was two seconds from doing it for kicks. You'll sound mean but thats about it.

[802MS3]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 An external reworked K04 is gonna spike and drop off no matter what. I just feel for the custom setup is not worth the time or money. I was two seconds from doing it for kicks. You'll sound mean but thats about it.

I just love Steed's manifold. That's the only way you can get it right, with an EWG? or can you block that off?

It seems the preferred way with any BT on this car is to go with an EWG. I dunno, I was just thinking I could save a little bit of cash and just get the K04 rebuilt and get a dumptube fabbed up.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 I just love Steed's manifold. That's the only way you can get it right, with an EWG? or can you block that off? It seems the preferred way with any BT on this car is to go with an EWG. I dunno, I was just thinking I could save a little bit of cash and just get the K04 rebuilt and get a dumptube fabbed up.

you can get a block off plate

[yoichi]

K04 holds boost fine. Waste of money big time.

We all go EWG mainly because of boost creep issues w/ the Garrett turbos.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by yoichi K04 holds boost fine. Waste of money big time. We all go EWG mainly because of boost creep issues w/ the Garrett turbos.

if your guna go ewg you should do yoichi's setup, at least it'll hold power to redline and still quick spool

[jhershorin]

cept a 2871r is expensive to run with mazda flanges

[802MS3]

Originally Posted by jhershorin cept a 2871r is expensive to run with mazda flanges

Yeah really...its on PG's site for $1499.95

[jhershorin]

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 Yeah really...its on PG's site for $1499.95

well protege garbage are retards haha. nothing to do with price. they just dont know how to build a motor.

[Grim]

Originally Posted by jhershorin well protege garbage are retards haha. nothing to do with price. they just dont know how to build a motor.

why you say that?

[kingpin748]

Originally Posted by Grim why you say that?

Probably has something to do with the Street Unit stickers on his car...

[Darksun280]

Steed is 625 and for nrg to weld the flapper shut maybe 90 bucks with the dump tube.

[Darksun280]

double post FTL

[nighthawk358]

i would love to go EWG but the fact of welding the IWG shut makes me not want to do it

[Snyeed]

I love the sound of a EWG! It would be cool to do it to the stock turbo setup.

[jhershorin]

It has nothing to do with the street unit stickers.

It has to do with the fact they dont even know how to time a motor, they are retarded and act like they know alot when most of the shit i see them post makes me laugh so hard I pee. Sometimes i have to sit on the toilet because i could poop myself becasue what they say is that dumb.

[crazyitalian041]

pwnt

[jhershorin]

Its funny to see that the guys who agree on how shitty protege garage is are the people in the know. Fun times.

[superskaterxes]

if i plan to do a 2871 in the future, are there any adverse effects to doing the EWG now with the stock turbo in preparation?

[yoichi]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes if i plan to do a 2871 in the future, are there any adverse effects to doing the EWG now with the stock turbo in preparation?

An EWG setup on this car is almost all custom work.
Fabbed Mani, Flapper welded shut, Screamer pipe and custom welded DP for recirculating(for me at least)


If you get custom fabrication for an EWG, why leave the stock pos turbo on when you have everything apart?? Just be patient and wait for the turbo.

It sure might sound nice but not nice when you have a car sounding badass losing to a 16G WRX lol.

Just wait till you have a bigger turbine my friend
Just a waste of time.

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by yoichi An EWG setup on this car is almost all custom work. Fabbed Mani, Flapper welded shut, Screamer pipe and custom welded DP for recirculating(for me at least) If you get custom fabrication for an EWG, why leave the stock pos turbo on when you have everything apart?? Just be patient and wait for the turbo. It sure might sound nice but not nice when you have a car sounding badass losing to a 16G WRX lol. Just wait till you have a bigger turbine my friend Just a waste of time.

asside from buying the WG and materials its not going to cost me anything as i can do all the welding/fab work myself. im impatient and the noise of the EWG is enough for me to do it in the first place let alone the added hp and boost control.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes asside from buying the WG and materials its not going to cost me anything as i can do all the welding/fab work myself. im impatient and the noise of the EWG is enough for me to do it in the first place let alone the added hp and boost control.

if you have a steed mani already like i said 90 bucks max to have your flapper welded shut and a WG dump tube made. also if its not getting dumped to air for the sound, on a K04 turbo its really a waste of time to go through switching over to an EWG.

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 if you have a steed mani already like i said 90 bucks max to have your flapper welded shut and a WG dump tube made. also if its not getting dumped to air for the sound, on a K04 turbo its really a waste of time to go through switching over to an EWG.

i have he DNP and yes its going to be VTA. recircing an EWG is a waste of time and power. its like trying to silence a BOV by blocking the outlet. it shouldent take more then 2 hours to fab and weld the EWG and dump so im not really seeing the waste of time here esp if im planning for the future.

[crazyitalian041]

you just need 2 secure the flapper on the stocker.

[willie23]

nice to know all this about shutting close the flaps!

[nighthawk358]

if money isnt the issue go EWG

[jhershorin]

Thats not fast considering he was on drag radials. On street tires i could run 12.2 - 12.4 in my turbo 3. Things arent always as they seem. I think a good rebuilt stocker from Turbochargers.com experts in turbos, superchargers, dyno tuning, turbo manufacturing, and rebuilt turbos. or possibly ptp if his are quality could go 12.5 on street tires in a speed3.

[802MS3]

Originally Posted by jhershorin Thats not fast considering he was on drag radials. On street tires i could run 12.2 - 12.4 in my turbo 3. Things arent always as they seem. I think a good rebuilt stocker from Turbochargers.com experts in turbos, superchargers, dyno tuning, turbo manufacturing, and rebuilt turbos. or possibly ptp if his are quality could go 12.5 on street tires in a speed3.

well even better, but its still fast enough for me. ok, maybe the EWG isn't necessary (or beneficial) so I guess that can be put to rest.

I mean 12.2-12.4 is fast, but no one has been there yet on the ms3, right? maybe soon. and you had a GT35. thats pretty much what i'm trying to avoid, $1500+ for a turbo. why not just use the stock one and make it better? 112ish traps are pretty fast in my book in a car that still gets decent gas mileage when you pussyfoot it.

[etant333]

i do not believe that this setup is such a waste. to stay in a reasonable price range and upgrade to a reworked k04 and ewg. i am on a stock turbo and i am creeping as are a few others. i had to put my stock catted mid-pipe back in to give a little back pressure and that has cured my creep but i dont want to keep it like this. i am also looking into going with a steed mani. and a reworked k04 and ewg unless i can go with a 50 trim turbonetics or something and fab a dp for around that same cost.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by etant333 i do not believe that this setup is such a waste. to stay in a reasonable price range and upgrade to a reworked k04 and ewg. i am on a stock turbo and i am creeping as are a few others. i had to put my stock catted mid-pipe back in to give a little back pressure and that has cured my creep but i dont want to keep it like this. i am also looking into going with a steed mani. and a reworked k04 and ewg unless i can go with a 50 trim turbonetics or something and fab a dp for around that same cost.

Stock turbos don't creep. I'd put my stock turbo against a reworked stocker any day of the week.

[yoichi]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Stock turbos don't creep

Yes, Never heard of these small ass turbos creeping.

[djuosnteisn]

Is the internal flapper just standard steel, and can be welded with a standard arc? If so it'd be very easy to weld shut.

[etant333]

not sure but im in the bussiness and know many welders that weld cast and anything else so thats not a big deal. i know i can get a 50 trim turbo(non ball bearing) for about the same price of the reworked k04 but what are othere problems when going to a other turbo. what boost should be run with stock internals to keep it safe and still make power

[bova]

i have heard of some of them creeping when its really cold out and the person is running a catless downpipe.

[etant333]

yes they do creep. there are many on here that have experienced it and some tried porting the stock turbo's wg also with little success. my boost levels off at 18 where it is set w/ my sb and then as rpms lise it will slowly creep up to around 22. i added my stock second cat and it helped this problem but i want to go ewg. and yes this was in the cold

[etant333]

like i said if i can go with a t3 flanged 50 trim turbo and keep it around the came price i would much rather but im not sure at this point