STEED has ARRIVED!

[SneakyP86]

Don't mean to thread jack but this could apply to future manifolds that Steed might make in the future.I was just on the Tial site and it appears that they are going to be making the 38mm EWG with the V flange.

By the way that manifold looks pretty damn good to me,what colors will be available for the powdercoating?

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by Speed3shon That looks like it will work! then the only thing for the manifold i have here will be figuring a way to get that nut on.

Shorter stud?

Start the nut before pulling the manifold up tight to the head and spin it down before you do the others?

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by SneakyP86 Don't mean to thread jack but this could apply to future manifolds that Steed might make in the future.I was just on the Tial site and it appears that they are going to be making the 38mm EWG with the V flange. By the way that manifold looks pretty damn good to me,what colors will be available for the powdercoating?

Yes, I will be offering the V band fitting too. I will be making the manifolds to order so all flanges both turbo and wastegate will be covered.

As far as ceramic colors go I believe there are silver, grey, blue, black.

[superskaterxes]

V-band FTW. speed3shon, how do u plan to tune for the EWG?

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes V-band FTW. speed3shon, how do u plan to tune for the EWG?

no need to tune specifically for a non creeping WG

[socks]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes V-band FTW. speed3shon, how do u plan to tune for the EWG?

All you have to do is make sure the boost ramp and roll off are in check to be able to hit the target boost without spiking. I am using a standback v2.

If you get an EWG with the same as stock spring, you shouldnt need to make any adjustments. I got a light spring (.5bar) for quick response.

Leen,

I tried getting that nut on before tighening it down, but i was having to hold the turbo up and put the nut on. I seemed to get it one or two threads but it wasnt able to tighten, and i wasnt able to pull the turbo up "just enough, but not too much" to get it the rest of the way. It was the only stud i couldnt get out of the turbo...

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by Speed3shon All you have to do is make sure the boost ramp and roll off are in check to be able to hit the target boost without spiking. I am using a standback v2. If you get an EWG with the same as stock spring, you shouldnt need to make any adjustments. I got a light spring (.5bar) for quick response. Leen, I tried getting that nut on before tighening it down, but i was having to hold the turbo up and put the nut on. I seemed to get it one or two threads but it wasnt able to tighten, and i wasnt able to pull the turbo up "just enough, but not too much" to get it the rest of the way. It was the only stud i couldnt get out of the turbo...

You might have some trouble with a spring that weak. You can have controll issues if you try to exceed twice the wastegate spring pressure, a .8 or .9 would be a good choice once you account for pressure loss...

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by Speed3shon I tried getting that nut on before tighening it down, but i was having to hold the turbo up and put the nut on. I seemed to get it one or two threads but it wasnt able to tighten, and i wasnt able to pull the turbo up "just enough, but not too much" to get it the rest of the way. It was the only stud i couldnt get out of the turbo...

Are you talking about the nuts holding the turbo to the manifold?

[samsel450r]

i dont like the steed manifold... i would rather have all the piping equal length...

[CraigHJr]

Originally Posted by steedspeed Are you talking about the nuts holding the turbo to the manifold?

I think he was, it looks like there is little extra material above that one stud. Couldn't he just grind off a little of the outer edge to make a bit more space?

[y2kc0wb0y]

Originally Posted by samsel450r I would rather have all the piping equal length...

I think its more important to choose a exhaust manifold design based on your personal goals than equal length runners...ie..where you want your power delivery in addition to a EXWG flange...ie. low to mid or mid to high torque onset..equal length runners are nice but probably only fully realized on a open exhaust race car that spends most of its time at near redline. Most street cars will never see this level of duty cycle to take full advantage of a equal length design.

I believe this type of exhaust manifold (short-runners) will hold torque higher past peak torque to redline. I also believe if you looking for this style of exhaust manifold I've seen no better example of machining quality to date. I believe once the bugs are worked out this will be a very nice option for some...even if you need 9 weeks to ship it...

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by CraigHJr I think he was, it looks like there is little extra material above that one stud. Couldn't he just grind off a little of the outer edge to make a bit more space?

That might be the best solution for now.

Sean, feel free to grind the manifold for clearance or do whatever you can think of to make it work. I appreciate your help with this and when all is settled I'll be happy to send you a production version to replace the prototype.

Cheers!

Leen

[socks]

How thick is that metal there to grind? I will try, I just dont want to go through.

Thanks Leen!

Sean

[94jedi]

Sean, that looks awesome!!! can't wait til you get it all sorted out!

[bf360]

i wonder how it will sound, i know the pg changes the exhaust note a decent amount

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by Speed3shon How thick is that metal there to grind? I will try, I just dont want to go through. Thanks Leen! Sean

If you feel inside and out with finger and thumb you should be able to feel how deep it is. I recommend only taking the minimum required though.

I'm surprised it won't work as is actually as I tested it with a bolt and nut here at my shop and was able to tighten them. Perhaps the Mazdaspeed nuts are bigger with that round section? I just used a standard nut with washer.

[BreakTheStatic]

Originally Posted by bf360 i wonder how it will sound, i know the pg changes the exhaust note a decent amount

Sorta OT, but changes it how? I was going to install mine sometime this week... is it for better, worse or just indifferent?

[bf360]

Originally Posted by BreakTheStatic Sorta OT, but changes it how? I was going to install mine sometime this week... is it for better, worse or just indifferent?

it goes from the stock sound that has a sort of rumble, like sti rumble, to less rumble and sort of cleans the sound up, its because of the runners, stock is unequal legth which gives that sound, while the pg is closer to equal length, the steed seems unequal

[ATE BALLER]

I imagine the steedspeed manifold will have a stock-like deep loping sound (blot-blot-blot-blot). Perfectly fine with a turbo, in fact it sounds better IMO.

[superskaterxes]

yah the DNP def changed the noise. i can hear the VVT alot more now.

[steedspeed]

Ok.

The wastegate adapter is on its way by air so hopefully it gets there quick!

[bf360]

Originally Posted by ATE BALLER I imagine the steedspeed manifold will have a stock-like deep loping sound (blot-blot-blot-blot). Perfectly fine with a turbo, in fact it sounds better IMO.

yea id rather have the rumble than loose it, im hoping it keeps it

[MS6_Auburn_Fan]

bump for an update

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by MS6_Auburn_Fan bump for an update

Just waiting for the T3 flanged prototype to arrive and be test fitted. Stock flange one will be tested when the wastegate adapter arrives for speed3shon.

[bnoon]

Originally Posted by samsel450r i dont like the steed manifold... i would rather have all the piping equal length...

Originally Posted by y2kc0wb0y I think its more important to choose a exhaust manifold design based on your personal goals than equal length runners...ie..where you want your power delivery in addition to a EXWG flange...ie. low to mid or mid to high torque onset..equal length runners are nice but probably only fully realized on a open exhaust race car that spends most of its time at near redline. Most street cars will never see this level of duty cycle to take full advantage of a equal length design. I believe this type of exhaust manifold (short-runners) will hold torque higher past peak torque to redline. I also believe if you looking for this style of exhaust manifold I've seen no better example of machining quality to date. I believe once the bugs are worked out this will be a very nice option for some...even if you need 9 weeks to ship it...

Equal length exhaust tubes offer 1 thing over uneuqual length tubes of similar design and that is scavenging. With turbo engines, scavenging is FAR LESS important than with natural aspiration engines. With engines of this size and available turbos, there would be very minimal differences, if any, between the two dynos.

What to look for in a turbo manifold is quality, gentle bends, and good merge at the turbo flange for velocity. This manifold has all of that and will not crack as easily as a typical tubing manifold.

Now, hurry up and get several of these sold so that I can buy a used one at discount prices!!!


BY THE WAY: Will this bolt on to stock turbo's and down pipes? I don't want/need external wastegate.

[socks]

Still no adapter. Tracking on it?

-Sean

[LBV]

Originally Posted by bnoon Will this bolt on to stock turbo's and down pipes? I don't want/need external wastegate.

+1

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by LBV +1

Speed's proto has a ATP turbo which has stock flanges. Also i believe he's going to offer a block off plate for the waste gate flange opening or a non gate mani.

[socks]

I got the adapter. Ill see what i can do with it tomorrow or friday.

Leen, Please make sure you tap holes through. Im going to have to tap this adapter through or cut the bolts shorter to install it. These flanges only have 2-3 threads on them, making it VERY difficult to find the right size bolt, and get a good torque on it.

Please advise on the tap size.

[LBV]

What's with the shitty quality control on this? All the crap you've been through and pointed out and now you get an adapter with holes that aren't even threaded through?

Not good at all Steedspeed!!

[CraigHJr]

Originally Posted by LBV What's with the shitty quality control on this? All the crap you've been through and pointed out and now you get an adapter with holes that aren't even threaded through? Not good at all Steedspeed!!

IT IS A PROTOTYPE LEEN (STEEDSPEED) HAS NEVER PUT HIS HANDS ON A MAZDASPEED 3 OR 6. The hole being tapped is on the original manifold not the EWG extension. The items mentioned here are very minor and should be expected when prototyping a part that has never been bolted to an engine before.

[Darksun280]

yeah what craigh said. Personally I wouldn't even be putting all this stuff into the thread untill i did one big update and would just work with leen through Pm's till a final production version.

[LBV]

I hear ya guys about the prototype thing and I'm all for supporting a fellow canuck and may end up buying one, but c'mon, not threading a hole all the way through? That goes beyond "prototype" and into the realm of poor QC.

Regardless, I hope all of these kinks get worked out soon.

[CraigHJr]

If he threads it all the way through it is a hole into the manifold which will cause turbulance. I am sure it can be a touch deeper or the EWG flange will be made thicker (being that the EWG angle is wrong anyway).

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by Speed3shon I got the adapter. Ill see what i can do with it tomorrow or friday. Leen, Please make sure you tap holes through. Im going to have to tap this adapter through or cut the bolts shorter to install it. These flanges only have 2-3 threads on them, making it VERY difficult to find the right size bolt, and get a good torque on it. Please advise on the tap size.

That's odd. Thought I tapped it through. They are 8mm x 1.25. Might be easier to just drill a clearance hole through and slip a bolt through with a nut on the other end. Sorry about that but I'm a little distracted with an order for 50 manifolds right now + a ton of deliveries + Xmas stuff so my attention is spread a little thin right now.

It's my own fault for hiring humans!

[socks]

no worries. i know to expect things like this. but you also know to hear it from me.

LBV,

this is not a QC problem. The holes on the wastegate flange are not tapped through because they must have been tapped after being welded to the flange, and you need a special tap to tap the hole through, as the clearance on the back side doesnt allow for a normal tap to tap through. This is a prototype afterall.

As I said, this adapter is choice otherwise. I have no problem with having to make small adjustments as the test fitter. The production manifolds im assuming will have a relocated EWG flange rather than use an EWG relocating adapter. So there should be no worries on your end.

-Shon

[socks]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 yeah what craigh said. Personally I wouldn't even be putting all this stuff into the thread untill i did one big update and would just work with leen through Pm's till a final production version.

Your right. But this also probably gets alot of pressure off his back when people know what is taking so long, rather than just a comment saying "Its gonna be about two weeks to make some changes"

Expect to see this thing on tomorrow or saturday.

[LBV]

Thx for stepping up Shon to make this work!!

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by Speed3shon Your right. But this also probably gets alot of pressure off his back when people know what is taking so long, rather than just a comment saying "Its gonna be about two weeks to make some changes" Expect to see this thing on tomorrow or saturday.

Usually the development is done privately but not for any particular reason. It's interesting to have all the details "out there" for all to see and I'm sure most people realise that designing and building something like this is not quite as simple as it looks. The issues that have come up are pleasantly minor and easily fixed. Stuff like the occasional hole that didn't get tapped is going to happen and if there is anyone out there who never makes mistakes I'd be happy to see your resume if you are looking for a job!

At the end of the day I think the important thing is that I've only ever had 2 "production" manifolds returned to me and one was a prototype which we both agreed I would replace after testing.

[ptperformance]

Sounds good guys, its good to see that we can get these things worked out on the manifold. Leed, I will be calling you in the next week with our plans as well as talking with you on the manifold plans that I have. Thanks.