Twin scroll stock mount manifold

[mason]

twin gates or no gates! awesome!

[Realgib3]

Yea twin 38's sticking out up top... bling

[djuosnteisn]

Twin gates FTW.

[Realgib3]

Can't wait to see someone do it, cuz the dump piping can probably be routed to look sick too with the twin gates...

[mason]

it will look sick as fuck!!!!!!!!!

[Justin Lee]

Originally Posted by Realgib3 You sir just made yourself look like a fool. You can do a single wg on a twinscroll mani. Just has to be located in the right spot...

^ In the words of an anonymous black man, "Haters are gon hate" lol


The manifold's coming along nicely can't wait to see a final product

[KRNAGE]

as everyone else, cant wait to see how this goes, be bad as and wantz

[Enki]

Originally Posted by steedspeed The manifolds will all be twin 38mm V-band or no gate for guys going with BW efr turbos.

So you're saying an EFR series will fit?

[djuosnteisn]

Would probably require a slight tweak to the down pipe and possibly intake... but fitment shouldn't be an issue, right?

[steedspeed]

Not sure about EFR fitment and I'm wondering if I should move the turbo toward the center to make it easier at the intake end?

[djuosnteisn]

Here's the popular comparison photo between garret and EFR for visualization sake.

[jmhinkle]

That's a disaster waiting to happen there. Fucking stupid wide.

[turd burglar]

holy shit balls that thing is ridiculous!!!

[turboneil]

Originally Posted by steedspeed Not sure about EFR fitment and I'm wondering if I should move the turbo toward the center to make it easier at the intake end?

Looks like if you moved it about 1.5 inches to the center it would help and should have enough clearance on both sides of the Turbo.

[steedspeed]

I'd sure like to make this suit both garrett and EFR

[Enki]

Originally Posted by steedspeed I'd sure like to make this suit both garrett and EFR

I'd sure like to give you some of my money.

[Realgib3]

My theory... If you're going Garrett, you will need to mod your DP anyway to use a reall hotside, so we need to figure out how far the flange needs moved to fit the EFR, see if it's feasible, and that's where the flange should go. I would have to believe we wouldn't need it moved the whole 3.25" to make it even with the Garrett, since I don't think just needing a smaller battery will be a deal breaker for anyone looking to go EFR.

[darkthunder]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Here's the popular comparison photo between garret and EFR for visualization sake.

New to the site, But have big plans for the near future. Question!!
Aren't the non gated EFR's much shorter? May cost more in the end going twin gates, but that seems to be what you guys all want anyways right?

Leen, if you get the TS manifold worked out you can def put me on the list as a for sure buyer!

[MS3-a(sore)ASS-rex]

I still don't understand the want for the EFR turbos. Maybe it's just me buthats besides the point.

Put me on the list for one of these Leen!

[Ziggo]

Originally Posted by MS3-a(sore)ASS-rex I still don't understand the want for the EFR turbos. Maybe it's just me buthats besides the point. Put me on the list for one of these Leen!

Who is selling the GT turbos with a proper hotside? My excitement about the EFR turbos are the hotside and being able to run a twin scroll IWG setup. The compressor wheels are actually slightly less efficient than the GTs, with a wider map that I don't really need for a 6700rpm redline.

[amoosenamedhank]

Is there room to re-route both dump tubes back into the DP? Unlike some, I'm not trying to make a spectical of myself.

[Ziggo]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank Is there room to re-route both dump tubes back into the DP? Unlike some, I'm not trying to make a spectical of myself.

Step 1:cut holes in hood
Step 2:route dump tubes thru holes
Step 3:????

Think of it as a high-power windshield defroster.

[Realgib3]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank Is there room to re-route both dump tubes back into the DP? Unlike some, I'm not trying to make a spectical of myself.

I think it's all gonna depend on the WG placement Leen chooses... Which I can't wait to see btw... But yea, I too would really like to route back into the DP, especially after hearing recent videos of what the top mount TS mani sounds like. Sick, but I heart quiet exhaust.

[amoosenamedhank]

So is there really any purpose to running a twin scroll setup on a smaller turbo... say a GT30 (GT3076r to be exact)? I see they make a .78 a/r divided housing for the GT BB turbo series but I'm struggling with whether or not it would even be worth it with this "small" of a turbo.

[jmhinkle]

Originally Posted by Ziggo Who is selling the GT turbos with a proper hotside? My excitement about the EFR turbos are the hotside and being able to run a twin scroll IWG setup. The compressor wheels are actually slightly less efficient than the GTs, with a wider map that I don't really need for a 6700rpm redline.

What do you consider a proper hotside?

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank So is there really any purpose to running a twin scroll setup on a smaller turbo... say a GT30 (GT3076r to be exact)? I see they make a .78 a/r divided housing for the GT BB turbo series but I'm struggling with whether or not it would even be worth it with this "small" of a turbo.

That's my turbo we just posted all the vids and pics of from the top mount install.

[Realgib3]

^^^ What hotside are you running? I'm struggling with my descision on which is ideal.

[Ziggo]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank So is there really any purpose to running a twin scroll setup on a smaller turbo... say a GT30 (GT3076r to be exact)? I see they make a .78 a/r divided housing for the GT BB turbo series but I'm struggling with whether or not it would even be worth it with this "small" of a turbo.

It's all spool. Twin scrolls don't make more power, they just reduce the spool-up time. I want to keep daily drivability to the max, and I might autocross the car (forum wars next year?) so I want to keep spool-up time to a minimum. Maybe I should price out a 3071 TS system. EWGs are not the end of the world.

[jmhinkle]

Originally Posted by Realgib3 ^^^ What hotside are you running? I'm struggling with my descision on which is ideal.

The T3 twinscroll .78 A/R v-band outlet. Spool is fucking awesome and it doesn't run out of steam at 6900 RPM or 155MPH.

[MS3-a(sore)ASS-rex]

A twin scroll ewg turbo will save you money over the efr and most likely produce more power.
The efr turbo only really makes sense to me if you were going from a car that was n/a to adding FI to it. Such as an all motor civic wanting a turbo and doing an efr to reduce headaches. Our cars already come turbo'd with bov's and ewg's are better for boost control

[I Love Brownies]

Originally Posted by jmhinkle The T3 twinscroll .78 A/R v-band outlet. Spool is fucking awesome and it doesn't run out of steam at 6900 RPM or 155MPH.

i can attest to this

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by Ziggo It's all spool. Twin scrolls don't make more power, they just reduce the spool-up time. I want to keep daily drivability to the max, and I might autocross the car (forum wars next year?) so I want to keep spool-up time to a minimum. Maybe I should price out a 3071 TS system. EWGs are not the end of the world.

If we were talking about a GT35, the answer is obvious...

I guess what I meant was with this size turbo (relatively small), I can't imagine the spool time with an undivided housing is horrible... so is it worth the effort to go with the TS design? If yes.. then that's fine, I was just wondering.

[I Love Brownies]

you can always add nitrous to increase spool time

[Ziggo]

Originally Posted by MS3-a(sore)ASS-rex A twin scroll ewg turbo will save you money over the efr and most likely produce more power. The efr turbo only really makes sense to me if you were going from a car that was n/a to adding FI to it. Such as an all motor civic wanting a turbo and doing an efr to reduce headaches. Our cars already come turbo'd with bov's and ewg's are better for boost control

I don't know about saving money. TiAL 38mm mv-s wastegates are $240ea. So the cost delta from an EFR is $480 plus the extra cost of the dump tubes works out to probably like $700. An EFR 7670 is $1800, 3071 TS is $1400

[Ziggo]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank If we were talking about a GT35, the answer is obvious... I guess what I meant was with this size turbo (relatively small), I can't imagine the spool time with an undivided housing is horrible... so is it worth the effort to go with the TS design? If yes.. then that's fine, I was just wondering.

I guess the answer is it depends on the customer. I care alot about spool time, if I can have a gt30 that spools nearly as fast as a gt28 it's worth it to me. Maybe to somebody else it isn't.

[djuosnteisn]

We're going to try and further increase jmhinkle's spool time here in the next few days with a different EWG plumbing setup. Would be awesome if we gained 100-200 rpm, but no promises lol.

[amoosenamedhank]

It seems like jmhinkle's setup is running well with a single EWG.. is it possible that you could include a single EWG for this manifold as well? I'm just worried about trying to route two dump pipes back into the DP.

[I Love Brownies]

honestly i dont think it will be a problem with the 3's we have more room then you think cause we dont have clearance issues with the drive shaft

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by ms307nm honestly i dont think it will be a problem with the 3's we have more room then you think cause we dont have clearance issues with the drive shaft

I have an MS6

[I Love Brownies]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank I have an MS6

i would kill to have a top mount set up i dont know what your waiting on

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by ms307nm i would kill to have a top mount set up i dont know what your waiting on

Just had a baby girl 3 weeks ago... damn babies are expensive. I have 3 top mount setups worth of baby stuff sitting in her room.

I wouldn't trade being a parent for the world... but shit is spendy.