The Official MS3 Suspension Thread

[mariomspeed]

i want to get the eibach pro-kit. any problems i should run into?

[KillerSaiyan]

I want a good suspension for occasional autoX and drag, but cant see myself putting out more than $1000 for it, seeing that its not my living, just occasional fun... I dont want BC though... possibly Sonic Tuning? def looking for rear sway bar kit to go with it also.

[Todd98SE]

KW V1

[silentwolf8]

Question.. Does the OEM Struts off of a Pu fit the Wons..

Reason I ask: Thinking of getting coil-overs in the next month or so, and I have a buddy with his struts going out. If they fit I was just going to give him my OEM ones and save him some money.


Thanks.

[Nliiitend1]

I believe the struts are directly interchangeable.

The shocks are not.

[jrdm91]

I'm new to the modding scene, I just want to confirm that the prices on the COBB and hotchkis sway bar is in fact both FSB and RSB.

Seeing that the hotchkis says "kit" that it is in fact F and R.

[TRex]

^if it says kit then yes it is both

but pass on the FSB

[silentwolf8]

Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 I believe the struts are directly interchangeable. The shocks are not.

what makes the shocks not interchangeable?

[TRex]

^the pu's rear end has a slightly different setup from what i remember...but i cant tell how

genone



gen2

[silentwolf8]

hmm i would just assume they would fit cause the springs are matched.

[Nliiitend1]

The rear shock lower attachment point is different on the Pu than on the Won.

I know you need a longer bolt to put Won shocks on a Pu, so you'd probably need some sort of machined spacer or longer shock eye bushing to make a Pu shock work on a Won...

[silentwolf8]

Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 The rear shock lower attachment point is different on the Pu than on the Won. I know you need a longer bolt to put Won shocks on a Pu, so you'd probably need some sort of machined spacer or longer shock eye bushing to make a Pu shock work on a Won...

hmm.. well if i get the coils i guess it wouldnt hurt to check it out and maybe do a quick write up on the matter. Im sure he wouldn't care.

thanks for the help

[jrdm91]

Originally Posted by TRex ^if it says kit then yes it is both but pass on the FSB

That what I figured. I'm not sure if I can bass on the FSB it's rattling fucking annoyingly as of now, so I have to make sure it's not anything more than the bushings or end links, I may have to replace it if it's more than that.

Thanks for the heads up of not needing to change it though. Much appreciated.

[Todd98SE]

Originally Posted by TRex but pass on the FSB

That isn't necessarily true. It all depends on how you like to setup your suspension. Most people skip the front bar because its a huge PITA to install not because its not needed. Again it depends on the type of driving you do and your preference for setup.

[Raider]

I have had both for years. The handling is better with both than just the rear, as I had the rear for a month until I did the front. Well worth it imo. Front just sucks to install.

[TRex]

while im sure there are benefits in steering response

you cant argue the fact that sway bars reduce traction in the area they are installed

rsb lifts the inside wheel decreasing the traction in the rear inducing oversteer

fsb again attempts left that inside wheel...decreasing front traction and inducing understeer

personally in auto cross my biggest issues came from understeer and general lack of front traction through turns

heavy rsb and disconnecting my fsb during runs solved this

im not saying that this is the end all be all setup and of course you need to decide what is best for what kind events you run, but my personal opinion is to run no or a lighter fsb....im actually looking to source a regular 3 fsb to run always

[Todd98SE]

Originally Posted by TRex while im sure there are benefits in steering response you cant argue the fact that sway bars reduce traction in the area they are installed rsb lifts the inside wheel decreasing the traction in the rear inducing oversteer fsb again attempts left that inside wheel...decreasing front traction and inducing understeer personally in auto cross my biggest issues came from understeer and general lack of front traction through turns heavy rsb and disconnecting my fsb during runs solved this im not saying that this is the end all be all setup and of course you need to decide what is best for what kind events you run, but my personal opinion is to run no or a lighter fsb....im actually looking to source a regular 3 fsb to run always

For AutoX i'm sure a MZ3 or no bar is the hot ticket. For a track like Big Willow or Buttonwillow no front bar is the quick way to sliding backwards off track.

A large front bar can also reduce camber loss under roll which increases traction, all I'm getting at is a larger front bar is a preference depending on your preferred style and setup. In a heavy FWD camber limited Macpherson strut car a larger FSB can actually increase lateral front grip.

[Todd98SE]

Originally Posted by Todd98SE For AutoX i'm sure a MZ3 or no bar is the hot ticket. For a track like Big Willow or Buttonwillow no front bar is the quick way to sliding backwards off track. A large front bar can also reduce camber loss under roll which increases traction, all I'm getting at is a larger front bar is a preference depending on your preferred style and setup. In a heavy FWD camber limited Macpherson strut car a larger FSB can actually increase lateral front grip.

Let me add that the bar you choose plays a big role as well, not all are created equal. The OEM MS3 FSB size is 26mm solid IIRC. I have ran the 28.5mm solid Racing Beat FSB and currently run the 27mm solid Whiteline FSB. The Racing Beat was a bit to stiff and the Whiteline on the soft setting is a perfect match with the Tripoint rear bar on full stiff.

[BierbaumC]

I couldn't find anything in this thread that was related to this..

Does anyone know if the KW V3 front c/o has an adjustment for the camber?

[Nliiitend1]

None of the KW setups for the MS3 include any type of camber adjustment, but they can be used with Corksport's camber plates.

[BierbaumC]

I was leaning toward KW but now that I see the BCs include this camber plate, I'm leaning that way.
Does anyone have those on their MS3?
If so, did it require modifying the strut tower itself?

[Nliiitend1]

KW >>>>>>> BC

All day, every day.

The option of included camber plates isn't worth choosing BC over KW.

[Todd98SE]

Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 KW >>>>>>> BC All day, every day. The option of included camber plates isn't worth choosing BC over KW.

I found KW V1 for under $1k online and after adding the Corksport camber plates still came close to the BC price. As @Nliiitend1 said dont waste your time with BC.

[LLIo6oH]

I think it's time to add CorkSport coilovers
CorkSport Mazdaspeed 3 Coilovers

[StanceWerk]

anyone know about the megan racing coils.

[Nliiitend1]

Originally Posted by StanceWerk anyone know about the megan racing coils.

Taiwanese cookie-cutter junk.

[StanceWerk]

im sorry i dont know what that means i understood they are junk but why?
my other thought is going with h&r

[Nliiitend1]

Originally Posted by StanceWerk im sorry i dont know what that means i understood they are junk but why? my other thought is going with h&r

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...-setups-39059/

[MS3MYK]

Would the Eibach Sportline Part Number: 4.4555 work on the MS3??? I know its for the MZ3 but its the only part number i can find for the Sportlines through my work.

[Nliiitend1]

Will they "fit?"

Yes.

Will they "work?"

Not well.

They're too soft and too low.

[bmoneyms3]

i had road magnet springs on my last speed3

[vivalawham]

I see the Cobb FSB/RSB kit listed as $380 - on their website it is listed as $535. Can it be found elsewhere for that much less? Am I missing something?

[Familyguy427]

The Hotchkis FSB is now 32mm and is adjustable though on the website it does not say it is.
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Old: 29mm 35% stiffer than stock/ 560 lbs/ in

New: 32mm 35% stiffer than stock/ 560 lbs/ in

I don't get why the percents are the same with a bigger sway bar unless the thickness of the walls is different yet I can't find supporting evidence.

Sent while eating rice

[pixelNate]

Originally Posted by vivalawham I see the Cobb FSB/RSB kit listed as $380 - on their website it is listed as $535. Can it be found elsewhere for that much less? Am I missing something?

You can get them for $380 here: http://www.mazdaspeedstore.com/mazda...ed3-p-194.html

Back when I first got my 'Speed theirs were the shiz. I dreamed of a set of their springs with these bars.

[WAHBAM]

Do you guys recommend sway bars before coilovers?

[Design]

Originally Posted by WAHBAM Do you guys recommend sway bars before coilovers?

Most agree the OEM dampers are the weakest link. If your endgame is to do coilovers, I and most others would recommend those first.

[joey]

Hi guys.. I might get fried for this, but I tried searching for this. Maybe one of you could direct me. I recently sold my gen1 and got a 2013 genpu. Now my gen1 had coilovers. Is there a way of installing them into the pu? All I see different is the rear shocks upper mounting. Thx in advance

[Nliiitend1]

Originally Posted by joey Hi guys.. I might get fried for this, but I tried searching for this. Maybe one of you could direct me. I recently sold my gen1 and got a 2013 genpu. Now my gen1 had coilovers. Is there a way of installing them into the pu? All I see different is the rear shocks upper mounting. Thx in advance

Actually, the upper mount is the same.

It's the lower mount that is slightly different.

From what I can remember, you just need a longer bolt than the Gen 2 uses for the bottom of the shock. Some guys have used the the OEM bolt that is used on the camber arms on that bottom mount with good results.

[joey]

Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 Actually, the upper mount is the same. It's the lower mount that is slightly different. From what I can remember, you just need a longer bolt than the Gen 2 uses for the bottom of the shock. Some guys have used the the OEM bolt that is used on the camber arms on that bottom mount with good results.

Damn! It would be so awesome if I could use my gen1 coilies on the genpu. Why does the online shops sell the coilies for the 2007-2009 and then 2010-2013? Do you think its an sales angle? Thx for the reply

[msantana101]

Please forgive me if I missed it in this thread, but are the H&R springs interchangeable between gen 1 and 2? I have searched a bit on google and could not find a definitive answer to this question. Thanks.