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ok so I took videos the car being started without serpenting belt on (to isolate the pulleys) and then with the belt, AC off and then with AC on. I cannot hear any difference in the 3 scenarios. The engine is hot in all 3 cases. Not warm, but good and hot. 94 degree day, after driving her for 30 minutes. 1. This video is hot start, no serpentine belt installed, with ipad sitting on passenger side strut tower (belt side of engine). 2. Next is hot start, with the belt in place, no AC. 3. Last is hot start, with AC clicked on after starting engine (belt obviously is installed). Thoughts? Lex Last edited by Lex2007; 09-09-2013 at 11:00 PM. | |
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Maybe its just me but all three of those come up as pictures to me. You may have to upload them to youtube then link the videos here. Galaxy S4 Bitches, fuck an iFail!!!
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Firewalls at work wont let upload to youtube. I will try this later and repost. Last edited by Lex2007; 09-03-2013 at 12:24 PM. | |
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score It does sound like the vvt. Did you pull the valve cover yet to look for chain markings?
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Why does the background noise only happen when the engine is at operating temp and only at idle and off idle? I really hate Mazda right now. Last edited by Lex2007; 12-20-2013 at 08:36 AM. | |
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Get a cold start video with someone else in the car starting it and you moving around the engine bay. It is hard to depict where a sound is coming from when the cam is sitting on the cowl.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score This is an excerpt from my messages with @Rokusek; regarding my recent swap. I feel like it basically sums up how awesome all of this really is. "Alright my man... the VVT is swapped... the car runs like a fucking monster... and all I really have left to say is thank you. Your write-up is literally the most complete i've ever seen on msf, or maybe anywhere for that matter. It's well layed out, in a sensible order, and without it, i'd have zero chance of being where I am right now. Thanks for that. Andrew wasn't able to be there for the swap, but another local NATOR guy (@punjar who is an ASE certified tech lent me his garage, help, and tools. The swap literally took us no more than 5 hours. Everything went as smoothly as it possibly can.. and we're pretty much in good shape... The only thing I can really say about your write-up and support as far as improvement goes is perhaps your explanation toward the beginning of reaching TDC and how exactly to do that. It took me awhile to figure out what was going on there.. but once I did, it was straightforward. But seriously, that was no big deal. Anyway, dude you saved my life and didn't even know it. Thanks so much, Devin" This guy has put countless hours and effort into the advancement of our platform and we should really all be grateful. He's moved us further than most ever will!
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I can't watch the video at work so as soon as I get home I'll open it up and see what I think.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score @Rokusek this may be a dumb question but I'm about to tackle this tomorrow night. When timing the engine, how much slack are you talking about putting in between the two cam gears when reinstalling the new chain? Or should there be no slack at all between the cam gears after the chain is installed and the cam alignment tool is holding the cams in place? I assume that while the intake cam gear does have the ability to shift to change valve timing, it won't do it while installing and timing the engine correct?
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There should be minimal to no slack. Once you time everything, there shouldn't be any slack and if there is it should be minimal. After the motor is timed (before you completely put it all back together) you should be able to hand spin the crank 2-4 full rotations. Once that is done there should be no slack and you should be able to recheck timing and it will be spot on with the timing tools. If you have any issues what so ever tomorrow give me a call. I am PM'ing you my number so you can call when needed.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Awesome write up. Thank You Roku!!!!! 2 quick comments. Get a good baseline log Before you start. That will give you something to compare to afterward. Also know that if you take off stock parts and replace them with aftermarket parts, say an intake, that will add some time. All mods do. This may prevent you from finishing in one day. Ask me how I know! |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Roku, you get a chance to look at my video above? Dosnt it sound like a VVT issue or is this some other demon? a |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Merc73, Did you clean the tops of the pistons while you had access to them? Rokusek, would this be considered a change of the "VVT GEAR"? Or is that an additional part not included in your instructions? Reason I ask is because I've read that the noise I am getting is caused by bad "VVT gear". Last edited by Lex2007; 12-20-2013 at 09:44 AM. |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Question on the parts.... I went into mazda today and this is the list they gave me: 1. LF01-11-406 : Crankshaft Bolt : 17.91 2. L3G6-10-602 : Seal, Oil : 13.87 3. L3H5-11-407 : Washer(3) : 66.12 4. L3K9-12-201A : Timing Chain : 58.80 5. 0000-77-1217-ES : RTV Silicone : 13.42 6. LFBL-10-237 : Washer, Sealing-head Cover(14) : 190.54 7. L3K9-12-193 : Gasket, RR. Housing : 6.88 8. L3K9-10-230 : Cover, Seal : 22.60 9. L3K9-12-4X0C : ACTR, VVT : 163.96 10. L3K9-12-429 : Washer(2) : 13.24 11. 9XG0-99-667L : PlugBlind : 4.06 The total comes out to be 584 bucks. I've seen all over people saying between 3-400 for parts, so is mazda just throwing things in here that I dont need? Also the mechanic I'm having do this said sometimes you need to replace the timing chain guides as well, anyone do this on theirs? THANK YOU for this amazing post you literally saved me hundreds of dollars... when I'm doing sorting out this whole VVT mess I will gladly donate ![]() EDIT: I've found a site that sells OEM parts for REALLY cheap. Going to save me a little over a hundred bucks just in parts. http://www.partsvp.com/
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score First off, my bad for not seeing the updates on this thread, I have so many subscriptions that it has been on my second and third page, so most the times I dont see it. Mention me from now on to insure I get some sort of notification.
Basically what happens is ther is a pin inside the actuall VVT that keeps it from spinning freely. That pin ends up breaking over time and will then cause the VVT to move on its own causing your intake timing to just kinda do what ever it wants. So in this case all this work is done specifically to change the gear on its own, everything else is what must and should be replaced when doing so.
The reason I did this write up was to show the easiest way to swap out VVT and to insure that those reading it could follow it as easily as possible. This also gives you an idea for how everything works together. If you search here you may sometimes find parts for sale. I know that @ms6ms6; tends to have VVT parts for sale on a somewhat regular basis. If you get in touch with him you might get lucky and get a full parts kit for the basic recommended parts. If not, I would also get with @JP@edgeautosport.com; and see what they have. At one point I was talking with JP and Alan to get a full blown VVT replacement kit to come with all the necessary tools and parts to do this swap. Idk if that ever got farther than just talking about it. But it is worth the look.
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Also, I got a quite from Russell Mazda near Baltimore to do this work for $850, "That price includes the cost for the vvt actuator, the timing chain, and the tensioner. If more parts are needed the cost may increase". Any comment on what additional parts may be needed Rokusek? Sounds like a pretty decent price, no? | |
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Thats pretty cheap for VVT work, I have seen lots get the work done and on average it costs around 1500 for parts and labor. So they are probly just low balling you so they can do the work, then jack the price up when they finish due to labor costs. The dealer uses a newer upgraded VVT actuator. There are three versions of the VVT and you can only get the most recent (which I have yet to see fail on its own).
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Rokusek, ya its cheaper for sure which is why I always do my own work, but other people are telling me the valve lash and valve shims need to be adjusted as well which I dont know how to do. This is my daily driver on a long commute. I cant afford to blow this thing up. Parts and tools alone are $500 if I do it myself. which includes the [TCT-305-507] Turbo Crankshaft TDC Timing Peg--$43.95 • [TCT-303-1061] Turbo Camshaft Alignment Tool--$130.00 • [TCT-303-1061] TDC Timing Peg & Alignment Tool--$165.00 (Save $15!) How do you think the dealer would justify jacking up the costs Rokusek? | |
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They could find other things wrong, or maybe the estimate was for lets say 8hrs worth of labor and it ended up taking 12hrs or something stupid like that. I am always cautious about dealers and letting them work on my cars or any shop for that matter. I posted a link in the OP with a place to find the timing tools and cheaper than what you have stated, where are you finding these tools at? -PJ
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I just bought parts off partsvp.com for a fraction of the normal cost. They are being sent from Rosenthal Arlington Mazda Parts Store, I looked all over to get a good idea of what parts are really necessary and which aren't. Obviously depends on the car... here is the list I came up with and the prices. ![]() EDIT: I bought the timing chain guides, for some they don't need them but I am at 80k and figured it was worth it. And if you end up not needing some of the parts you can return them for a full refund.
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I would definitely hesitate to buy another Mazda after this engine debacle, never mind the failed struts at 45k miles. Ive had Toyotas with 200kplus miles whose engines ran flawlessly. Mazda doesnt appear to sort out their engines before putting them on the market. Rokusek, I used the link you posted for the timing tools. Taylor's Sport-n-Import. Taylor's Custom Turbo Crankshaft Timing Peg & Camshaft Alignment Tool | Taylor's Sport-N-Import Service Co. | |
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I don't see how the parts list would vary much be car. Care to elaborate? I also priced it at around $300 for parts plus $165 for the timing tool and timing pin. Around $450. But even if I change out the VVT or pay for dealer to do it, doesn't mean my problem is solved since the symptoms arent traditional failed VVT noises. Last edited by Lex2007; 12-26-2013 at 09:28 PM. | |
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I may also be in the DC area next weekend and could swing by and look at the car as well. -PJ EDIT: 5000th post WOOT WOOT!
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I need a diagnosis before I spend the time and money. I dont wanna change out the VVT and then hear the VW Diesel facsimile again. | |
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Well you have several options See what these guys think: @Downmented; @The Panda; @superskaterxes; @Captain KR; Anyone else close buy who knows how to do timing and wouldn't have a problem helping diagnose this issue? I'll keep you posted on if I make my way up next weekend or not, untill then, these guys may be able to help or find others who can in your area. -PJ
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I have timing tool kit and would help but as ur are brown and have been on here since 2009 and have less than 200 post... U my friend are out of luck with me..
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Hey Rokusek, Can you explain why you make this point in your instructions?: "(the egg shaped parts that press onto the tappets/buckets/spring caps) on the cam directly above cylinder 1 (cylinder on the passenger side) do they look like they are facing each other at a 45* angle, while the sides facing each other are parallel to one another as well as perpendicular to the head like this:" -Lex |
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