cp-e Full Control

[Unoriginalusername]

Originally Posted by TRU-BOOST well it came, i saw, and i dont seem to have any extra boost. i got nothing from it. my boost follows the exact same trend. up to 20 down to 15 at 6k and 12 by 6500. no increase in boost hold at all. my boost was actually lower after the flash, and i had to open up my MBC more. i got to the point where my turbosmart is WIDE OPEN and it would not make more than a brief 22psi and then fall like a rock. after talking to the guys at cp-e (who have been very helpful ) they think that even my reworked turbo just cant handle it. if that is the case it is pretty upsetting. i dont see any better results than the guys with a stock turbo. so i think will just go back to stock flash. the only thing i did notice is it got rid of the little extra lag the reworked unit had. that extra throttle opening seemed to help spool up, but that isnt enough to make me want to keep it. i think it will be great for BIG turbo guys, based on what i saw, it isnt right for my car.

I thought cherryspeed and dadsracer had re-worked turbos and saw gains over other ms6's with the cpe standback when they did a dyno day? ... i think this is the post that suggests you should gain with your turbo

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...dy-rumble.html

Originally Posted by dadasracecar Cherryspeed and I have identical mods save for his clipped turbo compared to my stocker, and those are cp-e standback (17 psi-cherry, 18-dada), cai, tbe, fmic, and DNP mani. jvoss65 has the cp-e standback (18.5 psi), cai, tbe, ETS TMIC, and DNP mani. Thabigo has cp-e cbe, cai, and the ETS TMIC. charles has an SRI, the cp-e standback (16 psi) and tbe, and the ETS TMIC. y2kc0wb0y is bone ass stock. Here's the first run from my Cherryspeed, dadasracecar, jvoss65, charles, thabigo, and y2kc0wb0y with the cursor placed at y2kc0wb0y's peak power, 5274 rpm. What you should notice is that none of the rest of us have hit peak power by this point. Here's where Cherryspeed makes peak power, 5437 rpm. That's about 150 rpm later. By this time y2kc0wb0y has lost 11 whp. I made my peak at 5380 rpm so about 100 rpm later. Moving out in the band to 5600 Cherryspeed has dropped less than 1 whp while y2kc0wb0y has dropped 19 whp from his peak and I've lost 12 whp. At 5898 rpm Cherryspeed has lost 15 whp, I've lost 29 whp, and y2kc0wb0y has dropped 57 whp. Finally, at 6314 rpm Cherryspeed is 39 whp off of his peak sitting at 237 whp, I'm 56 whp off of my peak at 206 whp, and y2kc0wb0y is 103 down at 130 whp. At this point Cherry has 107 more whp than c0wb0y. Feel better cherry? One more thing to put out there: I'm extremely conservative with my tune and have pulled 4 deg of timing at the upper rpms. Jvoss65 has added 3 deg of timing. The only difference btw our cars is that he's running the ETS TMIC to my cp-e FMIC but these are first run dynos so heat soak shouldn't be an issue here. I also have the fuel pump but our AFRs were nearly identical. The 7 degree timing difference doesn't seem to make that much difference in power. And what about torque? AFR: I've spent a fair bit of time getting my afr where I want it using the standback and street tuning. It's spot on at 12:1 Here's my DH log for comparison of the afr.

[ATE BALLER]

whoosh has a GT35.

[Unoriginalusername]

Originally Posted by ATE BALLER whoosh has a GT35.

i found the post i was looking for, it was chery and dada (not woosh as i originally thought)... i edited and pasted it above which essentially shows the clipped turbo is capable of making more power.... i have the same question as Haltech.

Originally Posted by Haltech So, now you going back to saying that mods are dependent upon results...

[dread]

I thought you guys were putting more power down than that. Awd is such a drag.

[xcoldricex]

does tru have an upgraded fuel pump? might be the issue?

[AutoXRacer]

Tru, you sure you don't want to give the ECU more time to adjust?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Unoriginalusername i edited and pasted it above which essentially shows the clipped turbo is capable of making more power and now CPE is telling TRU he made less because of the turbo. Doesn't make sense unless you say the only difference is the OEM TMIC that TRU has vs. the ETS/CPE Fmic that Chery has in which case i have the same question as Haltech.

talk about about straight up bullshit... unbelievable.

Neil didnt say anywhere, that cpe said that a reworked stocker "makes less" than a stock turbo..... they only aluded to the fact that "it may be the turbo".

Fact is that Tizi, with his reworked turbo, also claimed that his car fell off harder than looshs car did. Another fact is that Neil said the car spooled faster....and he didnt actually dyno either. If the flash picked up a extra 10-15whp, do you actually think Neil would be able to gather that? We dont know hardly shit about these reworked stockers. whats so hard to believe that cpe would also state they havent a clue about the damn things?

he claimed it spooled faster, and held boost about the same as before. What the fuck does that have to do with whether he made 10-15whp? and to put words in his mouth is just straight hater bullshit. i reread his post 5 times to make sure he didnt say what you claimed he did. you just made that shit straight up.

Fact is we dont know what the fuck it did. Neil ran around with a cpe hater tag for months... he told us before he got flashed, that he was gonna send the damn thing back, unless it turned his car into chittychittybangbang....

i dont see what the surprise is here.

sorry for all the cussing... but im a little pissed.

[Unoriginalusername]

Originally Posted by palerider talk about about straight up bullshit... unbelievable. Neil didnt say anywhere, that cpe said that a reworked stocker "makes less" than a stock turbo..... they only aluded to the fact that "it may be the turbo". Fact is that Tizi, with his reworked turbo, also claimed that his car fell off harder than looshs car did. Another fact is that Neil said the car spooled faster....and he didnt actually dyno either. If the flash picked up a extra 10-15whp, do you actually think Neil would be able to gather that? We dont know ahrdly shit about these reworked stockers. whats so hard to believe that cpe would also state they havent a clue about the damn things? he claimed it spooled faster, and held boost about the same as before. What the fuck does that have to do with whether he made 10-15whp? and to put words in his mouth is just straight hater bullshit. i reread his post 5 times to make sure he didnt say what you claimed he did. you just made that shit straight up. Fact is we dont know what the fuck it did. Neil ran around with a cpe hater tag for months... he damn near told us before he got flashed he was gonna send the damn thing back unless it turned his car into chittychittybangbang.... i dont see what the surprise is here. sorry for all the cussing... but im a little pissed.

Dude you need to relax some and not read inbetween the lines for something that isn't there. Let me try and be more clear, Tru said he was expecting gains so i posted up the ms6 dynos which show the clipped turbo out pulls other cars with same mods so if he isn't thrilled with the number yet then it might be some of the other mods and not just the turbo

Originally Posted by TRU-BOOST ..... good mod, just not for my application. that surprises me to be honest, fully bolted with a reworked turbo.....i expected a big gain. i was wrong.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Unoriginalusername Dude you need to relax some and not read inbetween the lines for something that isn't there. Let me try and be more clear, Tru said he was expecting gains so i posted up the ms6 dynos which show the clipped turbo out pulls other cars with same mods so if he isn't thrilled with the number yet then it might be some of the other mods and not just the turbo

ok thats alot more "clear".... and it wouldnt have drawn a response from me. but by the same token.... do you really think that neil would feel that his car was making 10 more hp with the flash?

of course not. he said he "couldnt feel a difference"..... big deal. i knew he wouldnt.. hes untuned without any PID tuning on a different car with a heatsoaked turbo, with a wide open mbc.... his original post said about three variations of the same story.

he was disappointed that the car didnt pick up 40whp... something he "could feel".. big deal...lol

what pissed me off was you putting words in cpes mouth, that they DID NOT say. they probably were speculating about a turbo that nobody has the first fucking clue about.

i was there when tizis car was making PEAK POWER at 5000 rpms when his turbo first went on. the thing is an unknown. thats what cpe "probably" said. point is we dont know what they really said cause Neil didnt really even talk about it much.

and he sure didnt say what you claimed he said.

[AutoXRacer]

Well, I dynoed Saturday morning... I don't know if I should post this here now or wait until I get my post-flash dyno done but I'll just post it anyway...

I will do another post on the MS3 ECU forum also...in case this one gets closed or something with all this bitching...

Anyway, I'm not too happy with my dyno numbers, though I guess they are not bad since everyone was impressed except for me. Although, I know a dyno is not an accurate measuring tool as it is meant to be a comparison tool.

Here are the dyno plots:



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...lashCFSAE5.jpg




http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...lashCFSTD5.jpg




http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...lashCFSTD0.jpg




http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...CFSTD5High.jpg


I don't know what all these CF (correction factors) mean. The dyno operator said since I was posting these that he might as well give me different correction factors.

Here are 2 data logs I took with the DashHawk...which by the way is on its way out!! No more vendor support!! Have you guys heard? I just found out last night myself; I guess a little late....



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...lash/Pull1.jpg




http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...lash/Pull3.jpg


I was expecting-hoping for 290-300 WHP and 320 WTQ with all my mods.
Are these good numbers? The dyno operator told me he has one of the lowest reading dyno Jets in town...he said I shoud add 5-6 HP to my results. He was impressed, but I think he said that to make me feel better or what not.

What do you guys thinks? Please feel feel to comment...
I'll be doing my post-flash dyno at the end of the month.

[dread]

Those numbers certainly aren't bad. Do you have a standback? Man look at your throttle, the flash should really help out your numbers. If you get the flash though you should get the standback as well so you can up the boost.

[AutoXRacer]

Originally Posted by dread Those numbers certainly aren't bad. Do you have a standback? Man look at your throttle, the flash should really help out your numbers. If you get the flash though you should get the standback as well so you can up the boost.

No standback... Stock boost, stock ECU...

[dadasracecar]

Jesus, look that that TPS! I think you're going to be happy...

Originally Posted by AutoXRacer No standback... Stock boost, stock ECU...

Lets keep it that way for the post-flash dyno results, no standback.

[AutoXRacer]

I'm not planning any changes at all...

It would be nice to break into the 300s post-flash...

[dread]

everytime I look at your throttle position I laugh. WTF is going on there.

[CraigHJr]

Originally Posted by AutoXRacer I'm not planning any changes at all... It would be nice to break into the 300s post-flash...

Hey check out post 666 for my tps logs after the flash. You should feel the differance after the flash with the tps staying open. As you said the absolute best thing to do is leave EVERYTHING the same and redyno with just the flash while data logging again.

[AutoXRacer]

I was comparing the Commanded Throttle Position to the Throttle Position Sensor and they are off about 5%-9% while idling and slightly less while driving.

During a couple of WOT, I noticed the Commanded Throttle Position climbed up to 91%, while the Throttle Position Sensor only went to 70% or so... There was pretty much a 15-20% difference between these two PIDs.

Is the ECU commanding 90%, but only getting 70% at the throttle plate?

Anyway, I'm keeping all the PIDs as is... The true test will be the dyno and my personal dyno butt.