Palerider update thread.... 400, 450, 500whp here we come

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by y2kc0wb0y Nervous thinking about all the work that needs to be completed this weekend. I'm sure were going to make some good power with that 35r...I cannot imagine you will not hit a strong number. Thank you who ever said watch leaning the car out with Meth..I've been saying that for over a year now. For those that want to spend some OT money...I think Jordan has a brand new meth pump he'd like to sell. Z00m Z00m

I walk in the valley of death with P3..... i fear no evil.

[Cherryspeed]

Man this is going to be a fun weekend. I guess this is our first unoffical open house...lol.

There is a lot going on, but anyone interested in P3 lending a hand with install work please shoot me a pm..or better yet here:

cherryspeed@p3performance.net

We will do our best, along with Jordan and the crew form CPE, to be good hosts to anyone that would like to come. We would be happy to show you around our infant shop and answer any questions you may have. We plan on being in the shop from about 9am to 7pm on Saturday. Sunday is tenative, but a good guess would be from 10am to about 1pm.

Please remember though, there will be some serious work going on this weekend and Randy's car will need close attention...so you can look at the animals, but please do not feed them it only distracts them from there task....lol.

Oh bonus, we now have a nice TV, cable and a PS2 at the shop...GT3 anyone?

[crazyitalian041]

hehehe.

[Cherryspeed]

Originally Posted by palerider I walk in the valley of death with P3..... i fear no evil.

The only thing you have to fear is your car.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Cherryspeed The only thing you have to fear is your car.

doing what?!?

[Deadman]

cherry i sent you an email back btw.

[crazyitalian041]

torque steer

[ms3guy22]

I'm coming up, does anybody have a 3 to 3.25in silicone adaptor

[y2kc0wb0y]

^^^^ These guys are typically one day to our door...
6792 Mid Cities Avenue Beltsville MD 20705

Silicone Reducers - 4 Ply Hose Transitions and Silicone Reducer Bends

[Cherryspeed]

Originally Posted by palerider doing what?!?

Torque steering you into a bridge when you get on the go pedal....lol.
Hold on bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cherryspeed]

Originally Posted by Deadman cherry i sent you an email back btw.

just got it, thanks - you will see something by days end

[quickspeed6]

Originally Posted by palerider I walk in the valley of death with P3..... i fear no evil.

Hey randy you KNOW you are in good hands with the crew at P3!!! You have seen our workmanship first hand!!!

FEAR.... we dont know of any stinkin FEAR!! When WE get scared that is when YOU get scared!!

[killa cam]

Originally Posted by ms3guy22 I'm coming up, does anybody have a 3 to 3.25in silicone adaptor

i'll look around cp-e, we might have one. i'll letcha know...

[Boonestafa]

We will do our best, along with Jordan and the crew form CPE, to be good hosts to anyone that would like to come. We would be happy to show you around our infant shop and answer any questions you may have. We plan on being in the shop from about 9am to 7pm on Saturday. Sunday is tenative, but a good guess would be from 10am to about 1pm. Please remember though, there will be some serious work going on this weekend and Randy's car will need close attention...so you can look at the animals, but please do not feed them it only distracts them from there task....lol. Oh bonus, we now have a nice TV, cable and a PS2 at the shop...GT3 anyone?

no worries mate.. I've been a shop rat since I was 16 and know how to stay out from underfoot! just looking to check out the diggs and maybe make some new friends!

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by quickspeed6 Hey randy you KNOW you are in good hands with the crew at P3!!! You have seen our workmanship first hand!!! FEAR.... we dont know of any stinkin FEAR!! When WE get scared that is when YOU get scared!!

Why do you think i wrote that lol.... other people, when theyre cars enter the valley of the shadow of death.... either park them, or read the psalms. i climb the mountain and give prayer on Mount Beltsville.

[MarkyMark]

God I cannot wait to go visit you guys.

[ms3guy22]

my cars been in the valley of the shadow of death, for too long... Pretty soon we'll be able to say IT'S ALIVE.

[aviator79]

Man my car is stuck at the top of my steep ass driveway that is covered in ICE. I was thinking of coming down but not likely. Sounds fun. I will eventually get down there and will get in touch as I want a P3 built motor for my car as I just picked up a 3071 and im probably getting in over my head...well I always have being that this is the first car ive modded.
Good luck.

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by ms3guy22 my cars been in the valley of the shadow of death, for too long... Pretty soon we'll be able to say IT'S ALIVE.

+1

Can't come soon enough.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by SSinstaller +1 Can't come soon enough.

same here, how much more you got?

[medieval]

Good luck with the install. Randy, call me if you have any questions.
I'll be working on the 3.5" downpipe and the FMIC kit all this week. If you call and I do not answer, send a text.

[crazyitalian041]

rawrrr

[gsrtype1]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Be very careful of aiming for 12-12.5:1 if you are using a lot of methanol. Stoichiometric air-fuel ratio for methanol is about 6.4:1. If you are running significant amounts of methanol you need to aim for a lower total AFR to keep from going lean. For example if you are supplying 30% of your total fueling with Meth you need to aim for something closer to: 12*0.7 + 6.4*0.3 = 10.3 AFR. Good luck.

So your saying if your running alot of meth you should aim for an afr of 10? I'm running 12.0 with meth is ther an issue doing that?

[cld12pk2go]

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 So your saying if your running alot of meth you should aim for an afr of 10? I'm running 12.0 with meth is ther an issue doing that?

It totally depends on how much meth you are using. You have to actually run the numbers to determine the appropriate measured AFR that would be "ideal".

Aiming for ~11.5-12:1 is old school assuming non-DI and gas only in FI applications. As a rule of thumb this works quite well.

The GN guys that run ~40% of their fueling with Meth have to aim much lower than 12:1 due to the simple stioch chemistry...

What is ideal for our DI with large amounts of Meth? I have no clue. I also have no clue what % of their total fueling people are currently running with meth on MS3's currently.

I just wanted to point out that 12:1 isn't a panacea, but applies to a specific set of assumptions that doesn't include significant % of total fueling coming from meth.

I blew my last 5.0 motor partially due to aiming for 11.5 AFR when running approx 30% fueling from meth.

The more you know...

[Lex]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go It totally depends on how much meth you are using. You have to actually run the numbers to determine the appropriate measured AFR that would be "ideal". Aiming for ~11.5-12:1 is old school assuming non-DI and gas only in FI applications. As a rule of thumb this works quite well. The GN guys that run ~40% of their fueling with Meth have to aim much lower than 12:1 due to the simple stioch chemistry... What is ideal for our DI with large amounts of Meth? I have no clue. I also have no clue what % of their total fueling people are currently running with meth on MS3's currently. I just wanted to point out that 12:1 isn't a panacea, but applies to a specific set of assumptions that doesn't include significant % of total fueling coming from meth. I blew my last 5.0 motor partially due to aiming for 11.5 AFR when running approx 30% fueling from meth. The more you know...

Was it knock that blew it up or heat?

[y2kc0wb0y]

My point, for the last year, has been that one should be extremely careful when leaning out you car with Meth, ie..tuning for Meth, because if you have a failure at WOT with your Meth system...You will not save your engine from serious damage...So basically my rant boils down to using Meth to offset high IAT's and not really tuning for it.

Unfortunately so many people tune for it, which is cool too, but they need to be aware that 11.5 on Meth is probably 17-19 AF/R without it...(I'm guessing here but you get the point) and when the unthinkable, outside of the backup systems and bla bla technologies that are available to monitor it, happens your going to burn something up sure as shit.

I'd stay in the 10.5 to 11 range if possible.

[crazyitalian041]

thats why people use the labonte failsafe.... incase of failure with the pump... it pulls timing.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by crazyitalian041 thats why people use the labonte failsafe.... incase of failure with the pump... it pulls timing.

and boost to i think. actually the labonte tells the standback to pull timing and it immediately drops to wg for boost.

[y2kc0wb0y]

I'm just saying..both of you are ones I want to be the most up front with on what can happen..it goes really really quick and I'm sorry the only thing that could possibly save the engine is an straight iginition pause/kill but it all happens so very quick..I'd hate to think even that would do it...

There is a golden rule when tuning...good safe power. Meth should be considered a safety net for running high boost and alieving knock, not a power adder...but that's my philosophy.

[crazyitalian041]

hell yeah.

[Lex]

I completely agree with y2k here.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by y2kc0wb0y I'm just saying..both of you are ones I want to be the most up front with on what can happen..it goes really really quick and I'm sorry the only thing that could possibly save the engine is an straight iginition pause/kill but it all happens so very quick..I'd hate to think even that would do it... There is a golden rule when tuning...good safe power. Meth should be considered a safety net for running high boost and alieving knock, not a power adder...but that's my philosophy.

robbie may be afraid of another blown motor... i'll be VERY annoyed... but im not afraid.

in the pursuit of power on these engines, where fuel is so precious. you WONT make the numbers without tuning for meth to some extent. and if something bad happens..then 2.6l stroker here i come. thats paying to play at the level im choosing with this car. now that P3 stroker engine id be alittle more cautious with perhaps....lol

heres the plan....

map1... the map we drive around on....
no meth at first...turn up boost and tune until we hit 12.5 on 93. turn on meth... done.

map2... the map we make the number
all meth, all the time... keep turning up boost, and tuning until we hit the 12.0. done. post graph. turn standback back to map 1....in the spring we retune, add some more fueling mods if they are available and use this map at the track.

isnt that what evrybody does?

[crazyitalian041]

thats what i wanna do, and im not scared of anything... and ive never had a blown motor btw... i just built my stocker.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by crazyitalian041 thats what i wanna do, and im not scared of anything... and ive never had a blown motor btw... i just built my stocker.

well than get gt35 bigboy!!! what are you waiting on.... Id love some comparison at this level. btw... we have a couple hours of dyno time getting lined up monday, fwiw... can you get free?

[ms3guy22]

I'm scared as fuck about blowing another motor. but, i'm to far into the game to be a pussy now!
randy's plan is my plan as well that is what i'll be doing. my questions is where do we get the graph from, who's got the dyno p3's isn't ready yet is it?
Remember i'm the only one running lower compressoin. hopefully i'l lbe able to get more boost with out meth safely.....we'll see randy..i'm still coming after your ass.

[crazyitalian041]

Originally Posted by palerider well than get gt35 bigboy!!! what are you waiting on.... Id love some comparison at this level. btw... we have a couple hours of dyno time getting lined up monday, fwiw... can you get free?

Unfortunately i work what time?

[crazyitalian041]

Originally Posted by ms3guy22 I'm scared as fuck about blowing another motor. but, i'm to far into the game to be a pussy now! randy's plan is my plan as well that is what i'll be doing. my questions is where do we get the graph from, who's got the dyno p3's isn't ready yet is it? Remember i'm the only one running lower compressoin. hopefully i'l lbe able to get more boost with out meth safely.....we'll see randy..i'm still coming after your ass.

Atlantic motor spots. And you will have to content with me as well

[ms3guy22]

gt3071 ha your kididng right...that only a lil bigger than the ko-4,,,,i can't wait to see what we all do. the big dogs all together.

[crazyitalian041]

arent u running the same turbo and who said anything about me keeping that? i have another 10 grand i wanna spend on this car the sky is the limit

[ms3guy22]

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