BNR S3 DYNO NUMBERS???

[fivefingerdeathpunch]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Me.

Wrong, you are doing it. Could've saved money and gone with something else.

So you are hitting 350awhp on pump gas?

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by fivefingerdeathpunch Wrong, you are doing it. Could've saved money and gone with something else. So you are hitting 350awhp on pump gas?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. The statement in the previous post to which I replied was, "Not sure who goes BNR S3 for more power without the intention of running e85 or meth though..."

I have no intention of running Meth/Eth, and yes, VD seems to think that I'm hitting ~340-350awhp in 40° ambient temperatures.

[fivefingerdeathpunch]

Originally Posted by Vansquish I'm not sure what you're talking about. The statement in the previous post to which I replied was, "Not sure who goes BNR S3 for more power without the intention of running e85 or meth though..." I have no intention of running Meth/Eth, and yes, VD seems to think that I'm hitting ~340-350awhp in 40° ambient temperatures.

I know that. So you went for a BNR to get more power, but don't want to actually try making near the most power it can produce? It sounds paradoxical that you would get a turbo for more power, but not trying making the most(or close to it) power from it?

But yeah you are hitting much more than the average person on pump gas. The BNR on pump gas for most people is a lot less like low 300s, which TO ME, doesn't justify the price/install/hassle. Now if you add octane the thing makes upper 300s which is certainly worth it. I will say that since you are making a very respectable power level just on pump, it isn't that big of a difference. But idk... going from 270awhp w/ pump on a k04 to 300/320ish awhp on the bnr isn't all that spectacular. You'd still lose to a k04 speed3 lol.


Also DAMN I want your MPGs

[Vansquish]

I've actually had the opportunity to roll-race a local guy in a lightly-modified and tuned PU. He's got a DP/CBE/ETS TMIC, and I pulled on him from 40-100, though he got the initial hit.

I would also say that it's not at all paradoxical for me to be hunting for low-mid 300's on pump on the BNR. I'm not trying to max it out because my car has more than 120k on the OE motor and clutch, and I'm trying to nurse it along for a bit longer before I do any sort of major build. Moreover, if I don't max out the turbo, it'll last longer too. Why push things out of their comfort-zone, if the car is a DD that I want to keep running?

The car is noticeably faster than it was on even my best K04 tune, as it develops power around 500rpm later, but holds it until around 1500rpm farther into the top end. That's a win, to me. Even if I was still pushing around 290/300, holding it from 5500rpm - redline is a pretty big difference.

Furthermore, since the turbo spools slightly later, it's easier to stay out-of-boost when I'm on the highway, so fuel economy might actually be slightly improved over the long-haul (though I need to collect more data on that to be sure). You could do it too, the only issue is you're running an E-mix.

[fivefingerdeathpunch]

Originally Posted by Vansquish I've actually had the opportunity to roll-race a local guy in a lightly-modified and tuned PU. He's got a DP/CBE/ETS TMIC, and I pulled on him from 40-100, though he got the initial hit. I would also say that it's not at all paradoxical for me to be hunting for low-mid 300's on pump on the BNR. I'm not trying to max it out because my car has more than 120k on the OE motor and clutch, and I'm trying to nurse it along for a bit longer before I do any sort of major build. Moreover, if I don't max out the turbo, it'll last longer too. Why push things out of their comfort-zone, if the car is a DD that I want to keep running? The car is noticeably faster than it was on even my best K04 tune, as it develops power around 500rpm later, but holds it until around 1500rpm farther into the top end. That's a win, to me. Even if I was still pushing around 290/300, holding it from 5500rpm - redline is a pretty big difference. Furthermore, since the turbo spools slightly later, it's easier to stay out-of-boost when I'm on the highway, so fuel economy might actually be slightly improved over the long-haul (though I need to collect more data on that to be sure). You could do it too, the only issue is you're running an E-mix.

No octane boosting for the pu? Like was it a maxed out k04? Those guys can make 330whp with the k04. I think I only ever managed more like 310awhp. Either way, with the weight difference that should be a close race.

I guess something to consider is the reason you went to BNR in the first place. For me, turbo was smoking more and more and I was getting a bit power hungry. I'm still power hungry to be fair.. I want bigger than the BNR haha. I just feel like if I was in your position with the whole don't push things.. I would've stayed with a k04.

I certainly can't argue with the other points. I enjoy that my car pulls all the way. Feels amazing. Still didn't impress me until I was really pushing things. I went from a conservative tune making 330awhp with the BNR and it was niiice but not amazing. Once I started pushing things it got impressive to me. I'm right around 370awhp in 70 degree ambient. Should be more in the colder weather.

And yeah the E mix doesn't help but I assume my mileage could be better.

ANYWAY sorry for the threadjack. We can PM if we want to talk more.

[boostdmazda3]

Mine was with 3 gal of e85 on a conservative tune. Freektune in progress.

[tokoam]

here is my most recent pull in 4th gear its about 61F outside 93oct only.I guess its time to dump the stock manifold in efforts to making more power on pump gas.Although I wish I would of gone with 2867 sometimes seems like its easier to make power although I'm not hating on my bnr.South Florida dose not ever get this cool usually so I have to make use of it.

[skoski17]

Any of you guys here in ca with bnr and bolt ons care to share what you had to do to smog your car? I am new to cali and am in need of cali plates asap. I have hpfh, dp, tp, cat/res delete, turbo inlet, cai, ap and really do not want to go backwards. Looking at fmic and bnr here very shortly.

[dale_gribble]

California is hell more mods. You either find a shop that 'helps' or you pretty much stock out every two years. To pass visual you will need to be bone stock with all cats.

[resilientone]

Screw that nazi state man; but I love the weather and scenery. Have fun getting pulled over with a loud exhaust and being sent to the state referee. I was born and raised out there and the police hate loud imports. Definitely make friends with a shop and they'll help you.

First and foremost, you better put your cats back in because that's a HUGE fine that you don't want to pay. *Foot stomp*, driving without cats= getting your crap pushed in BIG time bro lol.

[maddocx240]

I just tuned my ms6 in the Bnr s3. Best I got was 316 hp. I was knock limited by my fuel ((Sunoco 93) . Mods are htp 3in, dnp manifold, Cpe dp, corksport cbe and fmic, ngk 1 step colder plugs. I think max timing up top was 10*. I'm gonna try e85 next just to see the difference it makes.

[Mastertrixter]

Originally Posted by maddocx240 I just tuned my ms6 in the Bnr s3. Best I got was 316 hp. I was knock limited by my fuel ((Sunoco 93) . Mods are htp 3in, dnp manifold, Cpe dp, corksport cbe and fmic, ngk 1 step colder plugs. I think max timing up top was 10*. I'm gonna try e85 next just to see the difference it makes.

holy poop, only 10* on 93.....

i run 13* on 91......

[dale_gribble]

Knock threshold on my setup is ~7 adv on 91 at ~20psi. I think my final 91 tune came in around 285whp.

On the plus side, the car is up to about 320 so far on wmi and counting.

[Lex]

I found that fuel quality can differ from station to station and area to area in the same state. It is worth doing some investigation of your local stations to seek out the best.

[Mastertrixter]

Well gribble I'm not surprised with only 7* since he is in CA. But maddoc I'm surprised by.

Personally I use 4 stations around my area and all of them provide good enough 91 to run 13*

Run 20* on a 4gal e85/91 mix

[maddocx240]

Originally Posted by Mastertrixter Well gribble I'm not surprised with only 7* since he is in CA. But maddoc I'm surprised by. Personally I use 4 stations around my area and all of them provide good enough 91 to run 13* Run 20* on a 4gal e85/91 mix

Yeah I don't get it either. Sunoco is usually top notch. @Justin@Freektune; said he saw 91 that had better quality, lol. I'm gonna try something different like lex said, see if I get better results.

[dale_gribble]

Here's where my car landed; the lower number being fully tuned on 91 only and the higher number on 91 + D07 50/50. With the 91 pump gas still being an issue, I am pretty much stuck at ~340whp which is a little sad considering my motor is brand new and fully bolted with meth. I could add E-85, go bigger meth nozzle or go 100% meth, but this is still my daily driver and so I want to stay within the confines of pump gas + some 50/50 meth.

D07 + 50/50 allowed a few more degrees of advance and more boost as you can see.

[EmPeEs6]

Why do you run that low boost (the S3 is efficient up to ~26 psi!)? Running less than 21 psi you cannot expect much more. If this is solely due to knock limitations I would strongly recommend E85 or much better fuel! You could also try to reduce ignition and increase boost further - however, imo at 20 psi the S3 is a waste...

[twenty5psi]

There is definitely more power in that setup, 91ACN gas is the limiting factor at this point. 3 or 4 gallons of E85+WMI should get you to MBT and the BNR happy zone of 24-26psi.

[dale_gribble]

Definitely agree, this setup is fuel quality limited 100%. A couple gallons of E85 would put me around the 350-360 mark.

[boostdmazda3]

Little update at 21 psi and 16 degrees of timing i made 358whp on vd 1.01 cf. 3 Bar map is in the mail.

[dale_gribble]

What do you have for fueling?

[boostdmazda3]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble What do you have for fueling?

3 gal e85 the rest 91. If I can make 380 at 24psi id be hyped.

[dale_gribble]

Damnit, I have to get on this e85 3/9 train... I need to find a few local shops and get this shit over with.

[boostdmazda3]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble Damnit, I have to get on this e85 3/9 train... I need to find a few local shops and get this shit over with.

Just find an e85 station. There is an app called e85 finder. Its a known fact that with the 3 gallon mix its good for another 30whp with the added timing and boost.

[Lbspeed]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble Damnit, I have to get on this e85 3/9 train... I need to find a few local shops and get this shit over with.

Do it man, the fuel you're using blows. So glad I have good 93 down here.

[JgamB]

I'll stick with my previous statement of alt fuel these mid turbos or don't bother at all. The unusual part is Dale is spraying meth, and I tend to see meth out perform E85 for raw power. Perhaps a larger nozzle and 100% meth is in order?

[fivefingerdeathpunch]

Originally Posted by JgamB I'll stick with my previous statement of alt fuel these mid turbos or don't bother at all. The unusual part is Dale is spraying meth, and I tend to see meth out perform E85 for raw power. Perhaps a larger nozzle and 100% meth is in order?

it helps but I still had some KR until i combined e85 and meth. My 91 was just not that good.

[Justin@Freektune]

Originally Posted by JgamB I'll stick with my previous statement of alt fuel these mid turbos or don't bother at all. The unusual part is Dale is spraying meth, and I tend to see meth out perform E85 for raw power. Perhaps a larger nozzle and 100% meth is in order?

With a small hotside like the BNR or the atp stock flange turbos, you want a d10 and 100% meth or you are going to fall well short of 400.

[Mastertrixter]

Here is my gen pu on 91 only

[dale_gribble]

That is too small to read. What are #s ?

[Mastertrixter]

Idk why it shrunk it like that. Here is a better one

[dale_gribble]

You guys must have magical unicorn piss 91 to get those numbers.

[Mastertrixter]

Well it certainly better than that Cali piss water they call gas down there.

But it works. 12* up top

[Lex]

The 91 they have in Colorado us especially magical. The Cali and Oklahoma and Texas fuel for example is very poor.

[dmeadors]

mods in sig, most recent map from Rob.

4th revision is red,5th revision is blue.

25% e85 mix

[g00s3y]

3rd revision, 25% e85.

[JgamB]

Originally Posted by g00s3y 3rd revision, 25% e85.

Have a log to go with this?

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by JgamB Have a log to go with this?

Of course. Uploaded in post with graph.

[JgamB]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Of course. Uploaded in post with graph.

Numbers were low, and I was looking for lack of timing as an explanation. Looks like you're still on 93 oct spark advance, question answered.