ATR wish list

[Dano]

So I don't know if this thread already exists but since Christian and Cobb are back in the Mazda game I thought it necessary.

I'll put my wants in to start.

1) Scale the Load axis to include the newly developed/reviled load range.

2) CDFP fuel scaling. more pressure pls. let us worry about the hardware.

Lex:

3) Injector phasing. The ability to change when the injectors start firing in the cycle.

4) A final fueling related table will be injector scaling. There must be table relating fuel delivery amount with pressure and injector opening time. This table characterizes the injector itself. In the future (not sure how distant) different injector sizes may come into play and access to such a table would be beneficial at that point. I see that as a lower priority issue however unless tuning for E85 or other blended fuels.

Finally, of course real time tuning would make the AP a much easier product to tune with if this is possible

JumpingJackson:

5) Working MIL deletes

tx Christian!

oh and Lenny or Hal or whoever...if you think its possible, sticky pls

[dougefresh_]

All missing tables please.

[JumpingJackson]

Working MIL deletes

[Dano]

Originally Posted by dougefresh_ All missing tables please.

The following users say no thank you to this unuseful post....Dano2010

This thread is for the big boys that are serious about this stuff

[Jarods7920]

Well to me the working MIL delete is big because there is nothing more annoying to me than that!

But i would also like to see injector phasing as well as the above listed. I would also like accel to the decel tables. Such delay to start decel and fuel control for decel.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by Jarods7920 Well to me the working MIL delete is big because there is nothing more annoying to me than that!

Plus it would be nice to not have to do a bunch of mechanical work and flash a different map then drive a couple hundred miles to pass emissions.

[Lex]

Along with Dano's suggestions ...

1. Injector phasing. The ability to change when the injectors start firing in the cycle.

2. A final fueling related table will be injector scaling. There must be a table relating fuel delivery amount with pressure and injector opening time. This table characterizes the injector itself. In the future (not sure how distant) different injector sizes may come into play and access to such a table would be beneficial at that point. I see that as a lower priority issue however unless tuning for E85 or other blended fuels.

Finally, of course real time tuning would make the AP a much easier product to tune with if this is possible.

[R.MS3]

This is of course personal but, change the color of the numbers for us colorblind people! It's a bitch when you make changes and the green and yellow looks the same to you lol.

[Fobio]

Originally Posted by Lex Finally, of course real time tuning would make the AP a much easier product to tune with if this is possible.

+1

even my hardcore EFI tuner who can "boot up" a car from scratch with AEM/Motec in 1/2 hr is wary of tuning the AP due to this...

"come by and we'll sort it out in a day...maybe a day and a half..."

EL OH EL...FML...

[triplejumper18]

I would like to see LC/FFS settings to be adjustable on the AP/iPhone/smartphone so people can play around with settings at the track.

[Dano]

ahem..this is an ATR wish list....not a "can you develope an app for my iPhone to integrate with my car", list.

thanks

[triplejumper18]

Originally Posted by Dano2010 ahem..this is an ATR wish list....not a "can you develope an app for my iPhone to integrate with my car", list. thanks

Eh, too bad they're already looking into smartphone integration, which would need to be compatible with ATR as well.

[Dano]

hahah

well if Cobb is looking into phone integration let me be proud to say they are putting the cart before the horse! "let's get smartphones integrated into the mazda ECU before we even know how to access the entire ECU"

yup that makes perfect sense.

But seriously, if Cobb is back in the Mazda game and are committed to the platform [TBD] then I think the MSF community needs to focus our requests on what really matters most to moving the platform forward on the AP tuning solution. I for one, don't believe smartphone integration belongs on the same planet of wants, much less ballpark.


just my opinion.

[Jarods7920]

Originally Posted by Dano2010 hahah well if Cobb is looking into phone integration let me be proud to say they are putting the cart before the horse! "let's get smartphones integrated into the mazda ECU before we even know how to access the entire ECU" yup that makes perfect sense. But seriously, if Cobb is back in the Mazda game and are committed to the platform [TBD] then I think the MSF community needs to focus our requests on what really matters most to moving the platform forward on the AP tuning solution. I for one, don't believe smartphone integration belongs on the same planet of wants, much less ballpark. just my opinion.

I would have to say i am with you on smartphone integration. Yes in the future sure it would be cool. But anytime i have been to the track i ALWAYS take my lap top to make changes. Its not any more difficult.

[triplejumper18]

Originally Posted by Dano2010 hahah well if Cobb is looking into phone integration let me be proud to say they are putting the cart before the horse! "let's get smartphones integrated into the mazda ECU before we even know how to access the entire ECU" yup that makes perfect sense. But seriously, if Cobb is back in the Mazda game and are committed to the platform [TBD] then I think the MSF community needs to focus our requests on what really matters most to moving the platform forward on the AP tuning solution. I for one, don't believe smartphone integration belongs on the same planet of wants, much less ballpark. just my opinion.

Which is why I put down AP/iPhone/smartphone. They are looking into integration across all platforms (probably datalogging/monitoring which would be cake). All in all, being able to edit LC/FFS without lugging the laptop to the track would be very nice to have. I'm just adding to the LIST.

[dan7225]

give up everything you have and put it in ATR. everything that a protuner has; put it in the hands of the forum. protuners can still help the people that are unable to tune themselves.

there are no warranty issues with this forum or the mazdaspeed's that as a company you have to worry about. nobody has blamed their AP for blowing their engine. if you could just give us all the info and say, "here, once again we have given you access to everything we have, of course we're not liable for anything." "lets see what happens."

we are such a small part of Cobb profitability and frankly that's the way it will always be. nothing anyone can do will change that.

i'm sure that sales of the AP aren't the best they've been since the start.
why not boost sales of the AP once again with new ATR tables.

until this year there hasn't been a great tuning solution. maybe now we could have two.

[chrisyng]

I'd like to see table cell tracking working in ATR when connected to a laptop.. would definitely make tuning alot easier if we could take a look at a particular table and see which cell the car is using at that particular time ..

[Caldazar]

live tuning and datalogging right in the program on the screen of the laptop. See whats working right now, as you tune.

autotune capability to get you in the ballpark. And by that I mean,

sort of step by step. Once the engine is warm, hit "start". It tells you to idle the car for a certain amount of time, then it opens the throttle by itself while it monitors airflow and fuel and other items. It opens it until it has enough data, then it auto calibrates the system.

It could also part throttle and even WOT autotune. You set a basic boost level/range and it will approach that and look for knocksums. If it sees none, it ups the boost and timing incrementally. Once it sees knock it knows where the threshold for your car, gas and temps etc are.

Of course, this would just be a great starting place and make it so your car is ok to drive until you get at a nice fine tune.

This would be good for them too as there would be VERY few unhappy Cobb AP tuned cars out there and nearly every Cobb AP car out there would be decently quick, have great driveability and mileage right out of the box.

[evidence]

Sounds like Trey is just about done with items 1 and 2, and has plans to hit 5 in the near future (DTCs). Also he seems to have cracked the MAP scaling, but not sure how far out that is.

I think I have a method to allow you to set the Load Axis values for tables on a cell by cell basis without it being as difficult as I original thought. It will require some custom code and testing, but the results will be better and it shouldn't take months and months to do. The way it'll work is that I'll add some new tables that are axis values for various groups of tables (ex: The Ign Tables share the same axis value). You can then edit those axis tables and they'll automatically alter the axis values for the table(s) that use those values. I'm also going to bump the Calc. Load range in the ATR from 3.0 up to 5.0. That should give you plenty of head room should someone decide to attempt a 700HP build or something. Trey

Tonight I verified the Fuel Pump control parameters including how to rescale the fuel pressure sensor. So that'll open up the ability for you to command higher fuel pressure as well as run different pressure sensors and scale/target accordingly. I was a little worried there would be a limitation to how much pressure that could be commanded due to how data is stored in the ECU but it doesn't appear to be an issue. You should be able to run as high as you want. I'll dig into the DTC stuff again next. May be a few days before I get time for that. I'm trying to squeeze in this stuff when I can but I have a pretty heavy work load for the next several days. Trey

Also, I found a way to fix the boost logging issue for rescaled MAP sensors but it's going to completely foul any other data logger from reading boost if they use the Mazda scantool method. This will be true even if using the stock sensor. OBD-II (Mode 0x01) scanners will continue to work as normal. Of course the AP and ATR will translate it properly (will require an update). Using my new method, we keep the same resolution as before but the ECU will have an output range exceeding 9000 psi. Should work out nicely! -Trey

[Dano]

This will be the shiznit!

Thanks again Evidence for being a great ambassador!

[Lex]

In the words of Mr. Burns .... "Excellent...."

[evidence]

MIL deletes have been fixed according to beta testers. Looking like this and load axis scaling will come in the next release.

[SJP0tato]

Originally Posted by evidence MIL deletes have been fixed according to beta testers. Looking like this and load axis scaling will come in the next release.

Also (hopefully) open/closed loop status as a displayable/loggable parameter. (I know... Dashhawk guys are going WTF, we've had that forever now).

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by evidence MIL deletes have been fixed according to beta testers. Looking like this and load axis scaling will come in the next release.

yep DTC deletes work, been like 3 days and i havent gotten any back.


yay passing inspection!!!!


does anyone know how to scan the ecu officially to see if it would pass inspection? ie make sure that all the readiness bits are set and such?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes yep DTC deletes work, been like 3 days and i havent gotten any back. yay passing inspection!!!! does anyone know how to scan the ecu officially to see if it would pass inspection? ie make sure that all the readiness bits are set and such?

This will likely do it:

http://www.autoenginuity.com/

[Caldazar]

any decently modern hand held scantool will do it. From a cheap Mac basic one($95 even up here in Canada), to any of the bigger OTC, Mac and SnapOn scanners.

Readiness monitors is what you will look for.

We deal with this alot at work, when doing emissions testing in the shop I work at.

[cld12pk2go]

Originally Posted by evidence MIL deletes have been fixed according to beta testers. Looking like this and load axis scaling will come in the next release.

Any news on when the next release will come? I have my loads pretty well locked in, but have been waiting on the load axis scaling prior to dialing my timing in...

[evidence]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Any news on when the next release will come? I have my loads pretty well locked in, but have been waiting on the load axis scaling prior to dialing my timing in...

Heard no dates myself, I just know Trey is giving us some attention so hopefully within the next few weeks? He's been workin on the fuel pressure stuff too so hopefully that makes it in.

[Fobio]

this is a great bluetooth OBD2 scanner as a backup:

DealExtreme: $53.99 ELM327 Bluetooth OBD-II Wireless Transceiver Dongle

[Dano]

That is pretty slick!

I wonder if its logging rate is faster than an AP since it is only designed to read data and not flash data??

oh and a shame it doesn't work on an iPhone ...[insert sarcasm here] hahahahah

[Fobio]

Originally Posted by Dano2010 That is pretty slick! I wonder if its logging rate is faster than an AP since it is only designed to read data and not flash data?? oh and a shame it doesn't work on an iPhone ...[insert sarcasm here] hahahahah

I don't try to log with it...I've hooked it all up to a tablet PC with, I forgot, some $50 program that displays the data in customizable gauges on the 7" touchscreen...it wasn't fast enough, and the touchscreen crapped out before I had it customized...

anyway, I mention it only for the guys who want a back up to verify the MIL delete for inspection...any other option in the hardware/surplus stores are $75+...

[rodrigo]

i wouldnt mind if cobb figured out a way to make ATR turn my car into a 63 nova

[R.MS3]

Looks like Trey is working on getting some of the tables labeled more accurately instead of A,B,C. This is a great plus since some of the tables we have no idea why it's really there.

[cld12pk2go]

Originally Posted by ReNaToMS3 Looks like Trey is working on getting some of the tables labeled more accurately instead of A,B,C. This is a great plus since some of the tables we have no idea why it's really there.

This would be very helpful.

[Jarods7920]

i really hope the MIL delete stuff works. This is prolly one of the biggest things that pissed me off. Its good to hear that trey is tieing up all the loose ends too.

[evidence]

Update from Trey. If people are most interested in the DTC stuff we could always tell him to hold off if it isn't too long and be sure that makes it in the next release. With PTPs release valve not out yet most won't be able to take full advantage of the upped pressure yet?

Sorry for the lack of updates guys, been doing a bit of work on documenting all the various things you can monitor with the MS ECU. There were a bunch of non-standard parameters that the factory Mazda Scantool doesn't access and I was hoping I'd learn something very useful. There were a couple of interesting monitors I'll add into the software, but nothing revolutionary. I did add in the new boost data logging parameter though and it'll work regardless of MAP sensor used. I will try to add a few more custom monitors which may prove useful in tuning. If there are any special requests, let me know. The next update won't be available for another 2-3 weeks. I'll update you all when I've finalized what will be in the next version. New boost logging, adjustable load scaling on necessary tables, better table descriptions, and fuel pump control are the most likely additions. New DTC defeats and other controls are hopeful but not 100% yet. I will get the Stage 2+ maps updated with the necessary DTC defeats however so it'll only be the non-standard DTCs that won't get automatically defeated. It has also been requested, and I am presently investigating, adding an ability to switch between load targeting logic driving the boost pressures (stock programming) to boost targeting driving the load. The concept being you can see the same boost (ex: 18.5 psi) over and over even if conditions mean that sometimes 18.5 psi means less or more load. Putting my engineering hat on, targeting load is more accurate than targeting boost. Airflow is what matters, not pressure. Sometimes you can flow the same mass of air at 18psi than you can at 19psi other times. However, we don't mount airflow gauges on our dashes we mount boost gauges. So, my goal is to give you what you want but at the same time helping you understand the science of what's happening. Ultimately, the more you know, the better I feel we've done our job. And finally, I'm looking into the EGR section of code. We'll see how "tunable" it is but I don't think it'll be an issue to just defeat it. Cheers, Trey

[Lama]

It will be nice if we can tune by boost pressures instead of load traget ! Nice work Cobb

[evidence]

Originally Posted by Lama It will be nice if we can tune by boost pressures instead of load traget ! Nice work Cobb

Since it seems like this may be some tough work, and we have many other things we'd rather have, the general consensus was to skip that effort. The ECU has so many complex features and fail safes, that it doesn't make sense to simply tune on boost. The ECU breathes load, so tune on load. It's safer anyway.

[Lex]

I wouldn't want to tune boost instead of load - load is more accurate and it's what matters.

EGR table access and/or defeat would be worthwhile for soot reduction

[djuosnteisn]

Yeah, i guess it depends on the soot on whether or not you want it in your engine.



this soot isn't horrrrrible and probably wouldn't hurt performance too bad



This soot is down right scary, and i wouldn't want it anywhere near my motor



This soot would probably actually increase performance



so would this soot