JBR camber arm installed backwards, results in fail

[Crazyspeed3]

One of my jbr camber arms failed because I wasn't careful and I installed them backwards. Please learn from my mistake. Pay close attention when installing your aftermarket parts. I could have been seriously hurt, could have hurt someone else or worse.

tl,dr:
http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...5/#post2077771

[2.0t03speed]

damn that's pretty dangerous.
@jbarone;

[evil MS3]

ouch

[MS3Bullet]

DAMMMMMN IT MAN!!!


HELL YEAH!!!

[Rokusek]

holy jesus... never have i seen this before... when did it happen? as far as when you where driving how hard you where driving?
jbarone;

that thing does look pretty beat up... did you buy it brand new? or used?

[2.0t03speed]

Originally Posted by Rokusek holy jesus... never have i seen this before... when did it happen? as far as when you where driving how hard you where driving? jbarone; that thing does look pretty beat up... did you buy it brand new? or used?

i'd say the bushing looks dirty not necessarily beat up. the rest of the camber arm looks straight. Do you have any more pictures?

[Crazyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Rokusek holy jesus... never have i seen this before... when did it happen? as far as when you where driving how hard you where driving? jbarone; that thing does look pretty beat up... did you buy it brand new? or used?

it happen under normal driving and I bought it brand new from JBR website.

[Crazyspeed3]

Okay to be more clear I would like to say is there a chance that the part was installed incorrectly in anyway ?? This only happend to the passenger side there is deep scratch marks on each arm at the same place here are some pics I will pm you after my big move to florida tommorow thank you for replying to my post ....

[Crazyspeed3]

So I installed the stock arms back on and now it looks like my car is seating alot higher then before.

PS: I have eibachs on

[El_Diablo]

How does that look beat up? Looks new with some grease marks but otherwise fine apart from the break.

[Rokusek]

Originally Posted by 2.0t03speed i'd say the bushing looks dirty not necessarily beat up. the rest of the camber arm looks straight. Do you have any more pictures?

Originally Posted by El_Diablo How does that look beat up? Looks new with some grease marks but otherwise fine apart from the break.

i have had my new arms on the car for well over 2 months, i inspect all my aftermarket suspension parts on the regular as well as many locals parts to be sure everything is intact and good working order, it usually takes longer than couple months for the Powder coat to wear like it has. but I could be wrong it was only an observation.

And Jamie is taking care of OP so no worries.

[JBR]

Looks like the tubing failed; not the weld. Sorry about that. PM me and we'll get you taken care of. We've never seen anything like that before. Everything else OK?

[El_Diablo]

Originally Posted by jbarone Looks like the tubing failed; not the weld. Sorry about that. PM me and we'll get you taken care of. We've never seen anything like that before. Everything else OK?

Maybe its time to step up wall thickness?

[JBR]

Originally Posted by El_Diablo Maybe its time to step up wall thickness?

We'll take a look at it when it comes back and send it out for analysis. 2 months is indicative of a material defect not a design defect. We have been using the same material on these for 2 years. We over do all the components we make so I'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet.

[supertubesocks]

Originally Posted by jbarone We'll take a look at it when it comes back and send it out for analysis. 2 months is indicative of a material defect not a design defect. We have been using the same material on these for 2 years. We over do all the components we make so I'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet.

I've seen similar bushing sleeve failures on off road trucks when urethane bushings are used. They can act as stress risers and oval out the sleeve eventually causing failure. It sounds like the part is plenty strong when installed correctly.

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[djuosnteisn]

Originally Posted by jbarone Looks like the tubing failed; not the weld. Sorry about that. PM me and we'll get you taken care of. We've never seen anything like that before. Everything else OK?

Is the threaded section welded to the bushing section? If so, it looks like it cracked right along the weld... which could actually be due to the weld IMO:





I'm far from an expert on weld failures (sure i can weld, but i'm still very much a noob at it), but lots of things can contribute to cracks. Not enough penetration, too much penetration, poor shielding on the top, poor shielding on the bottom, contaminated welds, contaminated filler, incorrect filler for a given base metal, too large a HAZ (heat affected zone).... the list goes on. But considering you said you've been using the same tube stock for 2 years, and this is the first time you've seen it fail, that would lead me to think it's the weld more than the material, right?

At least that would be the best case scenario. Cause if it was bad tube stock, and you build XX units from it... that could potentially mean there's going to be XX more failures to occur. Hopefully (and most likely) it's just the weld.

[El_Diablo]

While I would agree that it was a material issue and not a design issue, a thicker tube with a similar defect may not have had the issue. Then again, a tube the same diameter with a different material may have bent instead of cracking.

I will say this- it appears that the material broke in the heat effected zone of the weld.

[Raider]

Thanks @jbarone; for jumping in and taking care of OP. Keep me posted if you guys need anything.

[jack_hammer]

thank you for your courage, OP

[trancehead]

I guess it doesn't really matter but did driver's or passenger side fail?

[Raider]

Moved to the JBR section.

[Raider]

This is all speculation, guys.

I myself know for certain what caused it:

[JBR]

Very well could be DJ. I'd to speculate until we get it back.

I have already reached out to our supplier, who has a very advanced metallurgical lab and they will be taking a look at the material and the weld for us.

[rolanblack]

Curious though... bought new or used?

[Pendarus]

Did you use the instructions for installation? I mean there's not much to mess up...but if you used the instructions I don't know how you could install them incorrectly.

http://jamesbaroneracing.com/support...structions.pdf

[Crazyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Pendarus Did you use the instructions for installation? I mean there's not much to mess up...but if you used the instructions I don't know how you could install them incorrectly. http://jamesbaroneracing.com/support...structions.pdf

yes i did i was just wondering !!!

[Chimmike]

Looks more to me like the weld damaged the integrity of the pipe portion/wall wasnt thick enough and I'm thinking a simple fix as mentioned before is thicker wall which can handle the forces with the weld joint better.


Sent from the depths

[JBR]

Did you remove them yourself from the car and where was the adjustable portion of the arm located? It sounds to me like you did not install them correct?

[Crazyspeed3]

Originally Posted by jbarone Did you remove them yourself from the car and where was the adjustable portion of the arm located? It sounds to me like you did not install them correct?

At the top !!!

Originally Posted by jbarone OP please PM me your phone # and order #.

number sent i do not have my oder number at the moment the part was sent to (RAIDER EDIT) maybe you can search that till i find the order number.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Crazyspeed3 At the top !!! number sent i do not have my oder number at the moment the part was sent to (RAIDER EDIT) maybe you can search that till i find the order number.

Thank You for your honesty!

They were installed backwards.

The adjustable portion should have been located at the wheel. I could tell by looking at the bushings and that they made contact on both arms.

There is almost no forces on the outside bushing. The inner bushing takes the load and that's why it's reinforced with additional gusseting.

Looks like we have gotten to the bottom of this quickly....Thank God! and thank God you're OK.

-Jamie

Calling in a few minutes.

[JBR]

OP please PM me your phone # and order #.

[Alexander]

I'm gonna sign you up for soooo much junk mail

Sent from my microwave

[djuosnteisn]

You should add pictures to the how-to Jamie, would probably help avoid this kind of mistake. Good catch.

[Crazyspeed3]

okay guys I'm really embarrassed about this situation the bottom line is that it was all my fault to begin with and also the mechanic that help me to do the job i did not realize that I installed it backwards I spoke with james barone over the phone and for my stupidity he is sending me a brand new set of arms which I was never in a million years expecting that to happen I just want to say thank you for that and there products are really great stuff the problem is the buyer that didn't know how to install it correctly sorry for all the confusion!!!!

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by Crazyspeed3 okay guys I'm really embarrassed about this situation the bottom line is that it was all my fault to begin with and also the mechanic that help me to do the job i did not realize that I installed it backwards I spoke with james barone over the phone and for my stupidity he is sending me a brand new set of arms which I was never in a million years expecting that to happen I just want to say thank you for that and there products are really great stuff the problem is the buyer that didn't know how to install it correctly sorry for all the confusion!!!!

Don't be embarrassed man for any reason. We've all installed shit backwards, stripped bolts, etc. If you want, I have a list of fail I could send you a mile long of things I've done and had to repair on my Speed. Shit happens seems applicable in this case.

Glad you got this sorted with JBR.

Thanks JBR for being all over this and your continued support for the platform.

[Crazyspeed3]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 Don't be embarrassed man for any reason. We've all installed shit backwards, stripped bolts, etc. If you want, I have a list of fail I could send you a mile long of things I've done and had to repair on my Speed. Shit happens seems applicable in this case. Glad you got this sorted with JBR. Thanks JBR for being all over this and your continued support for the platform.

Hey thanks man for not shiting on me I'm just upset because I made JBR look like an ass wen it was all my fault but I guess this matter is all taking care off and everyone is happy

Originally Posted by Dash08 Anyone else ready to give Jamie a hand job right about now? I am. @Crazyspeed3; you owe Jamie a full uninterrupted night of steamy hot buttsecks and you're the catcher.

Yes I do

Originally Posted by agentgordon27 I was putting off the WP intake until I needed it for my BNR, this made me go, "JBR is fucking awesome, I'm buying that shit right meow!" That was prior to him knowing the reverse install after talking to OP about it.

He told me he might stop selling the camber arms!!!

Originally Posted by Rokusek All good news is good! Glad OP is safe and the car is with no other issues! Good work @jbarone;!!!

Thank you sir

[SeeMeGovan]

Originally Posted by Crazyspeed3 He told me he might stop selling the camber arms!!!

Temporarily, redesign or for good?

Crappatalking on my big-ass phone.

[mr.speedy3]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 Don't be embarrassed man for any reason. We've all installed shit backwards, stripped bolts, etc. If you want, I have a list of fail I could send you a mile long of things I've done and had to repair on my Speed. Shit happens seems applicable in this case. Glad you got this sorted with JBR. Thanks JBR for being all over this and your continued support for the platform.

^^^^ This

I remember trying to give a purdy lil lady a jump start once... Had my buddy with me, which was a mistake. He put the cables on backwards and made me look like a complete ass (although, he didn't know he put the m on backwards). Lost me my date!

in4NewInstructions. Also, I will be ordering JBR shit... love this guy. He put my car in his gallery

[Andrewbox]

Jamie, you rock.
Crazy when you get your new camber arms hit us up in CFL NATOR. We are having an install day on the 22nd of june and would love to help you install them backwards again!

[JBR]

I have spoken with the OP the arms where in fact installed backwards. We are grateful for his honesty otherwise, we would have never been able to get to the root cause of the issue.

I also accept responsibly for this because as pointed out, the installation instructions should have been better. We take great pride in our installation instructions and these should have been better.

I am sending a new set out to the OP and I will be updating the instructions today.

I know how sensitive the the community is over camber arms and I would like to apologize for not providing better installation instructions.


Thanks!