ATP 3071r swap how to , lenny gets BT fever too

[rodrigo]

hahah yeah...i say we do 25.... get me to 400 gm/s and then we will make a video sped up in time to back up the claims!!!

[Dano]

darksun would still hate....no?

400 g/s @ 11.99 1/4 LOL

[rodrigo]

im gonna make a video i never got a chance to make..... will be dark out, i will have the fucken car up on stands and ill video the speedo on a 40-120 roll.... i predict I will reach 120 in under 3 seconds..... MAD POWAH!!!!!!!! MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD POWAH!!!!!!!!

ill even throw a "WHOOOAAAA" ala Joe (GSRTYPE1)

[bmylez]

Yeah, Dano, you're right, I was talkin about Driver311. My bad. Lesson learned

[cld12pk2go]

Lenny,

I would recommend putting in the ITV24's and see if the KR goes away with the 1° extra timing in.

If not then put the "7" nozzle in and then see if you can run the timing without KR.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Lenny, I would recommend putting in the ITV24's and see if the KR goes away with the 1° extra timing in. If not then put the "7" nozzle in and then see if you can run the timing without KR.

yeah, i got time this weekend , i gotta dig up the spark plugs somewhere, i got em all 22s 24s and stockers.

and the 7 nozzle gets to me Thursday so ill be putting it on next week. keep in mind my car could never run the OTS stage 2 fmic maps without meth.... it always knocked, maybe in 50k miles when i pull the motor apart u guys can see why lol

thanks !!! also track day saturday next week , i want to be able to run the car flat out to see if I can trap 112mph at least. (best of 107.5 b4)

[rodrigo]

well, we reverted back to the original timing we were running and i turned the mbc all the way to full (light spring) looks like it tops out at 21.75psi or so....

KR still persists oddly enough after 5700 RPM ...that shits getting muted!!! we also upped the boost induced fuel cut just so i dont hit cut when I shift hard and spike to 22.5psi....its only happened once before but still... a lil headroom is nice.

oh and for the gm/s nutswingers.... i hit 312 gm/s yay!!! hahahah voltage did reach a high of 4.76V so I need to get this puppy to hit 22psi flat across (mbc has boost mood swings depending on ambient conditions)

once I quiet that KR to 5700 i'll be good until i swap the do7 nozzle in

datalog1.csv

datalog2.csv

datalog3.csv

datalog4.csv

[rodrigo]

upon further inspection i noticed the logs i posted yesterday i had about the same amount of KR and more timing ....and all of it comes around 5700 and up.... so im just gonna turn that shit off.

also..... why would my throttle position be 78 now instead of 77.xx as before??? curious


compare the KR and the timing on the logs I just made vs these from yesterday ...

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...tml#post670852


check out at 6k i seem to have 1-1.4 KR on both sets, boost is about 21 give or take .5lbs , temps are the same...fuel is the same.... but timing on the ones from yesterday are 2 degrees more advanced vs the ones from just now 2 degrees less.... yet the KR is about the same value.... I think from my perspective I have no choice but to shut that shit off at 5700.

[Dano]

hum...your motor may just make too much noise at those RPMs. Mine doesn't seem to have that issue with the sensor enabled.

you could experiment with the multiplier and offset to make the sensor less...well sensitive but I don't know of anyone actually doing that and what values to change.

The cool thing is that the settings are per RPM so you only have to make the changes in the RPMs that you are having trouble in....IDK maybe that's something for Christian to tackle when he gets back on-line.

[cld12pk2go]

Originally Posted by lenny127 upon further inspection i noticed the logs i posted yesterday i had about the same amount of KR and more timing ....and all of it comes around 5700 and up.... so im just gonna turn that shit off. also..... why would my throttle position be 78 now instead of 77.xx as before??? curious compare the KR and the timing on the logs I just made vs these from yesterday ... http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...tml#post670852 check out at 6k i seem to have 1-1.4 KR on both sets, boost is about 21 give or take .5lbs , temps are the same...fuel is the same.... but timing on the ones from yesterday are 2 degrees more advanced vs the ones from just now 2 degrees less.... yet the KR is about the same value.... I think from my perspective I have no choice but to shut that shit off at 5700.

I would leave it on and add another 1° and see if you still have ~1° of KR or if it starts to be more like ~2°.

If you can add more timing and it still sees only similar small amounts of KR then it is potentially mechanical/noise in origin.

Just be careful with this methodology. While short bursts ~2° of real KR shouldn't hurt, it isn't without some risk.

I would be very hesitant to just turn the sensor off above 5700 unless you are confident that it is not real.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go I would leave it on and add another 1° and see if you still have ~1° of KR or if it starts to be more like ~2°. If you can add more timing and it still sees only similar small amounts of KR then it is potentially mechanical/noise in origin. Just be careful with this methodology. While short bursts ~2° of real KR shouldn't hurt, it isn't without some risk. I would be very hesitant to just turn the sensor off above 5700 unless you are confident that it is not real.

well but that was the point of looking at the logs from the previous page vs the ones from this one.... all the PIDS are basically the same, its the same tune, except for one thing.... timing, its 1.5 to 2 degrees more advanced in the previous page s logs and the same amount of KR shows. in fact the only map changes between the 2 logs is timing and about 3/4 of a turn on mbc but because of i guess humidity factor or w/e the boost is about .5 off only.

i get what you are saying though, ill continue with caution. i am confident the do7 will eradicate all my KR, it always does when its below 2.0 and i move up in nozzle size.

thanks for the input. ( I Just need a new M3 and Mustang GT to go test pulling powah now)

[Lex]

I would pull a healthy 4 degree of timing up top. Run the log and see if you get the KR. If you do, then you know it's just noise.

[superskaterxes]

not to rain on your parade lenny but,










how do you like them apples? haha im rooting for ya buddy!!!

P.S. thats a no meth tune still with reasonably conservative timing.

[bmylez]

Ok, I won't mention the g/s now, but the load....damn, 3.1?

[Lex]

Super, you really commanding 11 AFR up top?

[rodrigo]

damn kneegrow.... u keep pushing it on stock internals?? only thing left standing will be your green/orange wheels me thinks lol

good shit man, maybe now u can reclaim the "world's fastest ms6"

Originally Posted by bmylez Ok, I won't mention the g/s now, but the load....damn, 3.1?

he has a 3inch maf so his voltage reflects a higher number than our 2.75 stocker

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by bmylez Ok, I won't mention the g/s now, but the load....damn, 3.1?

lol max load is 3.5 and im only commanding like 2.5

Originally Posted by Lex Super, you really commanding 11 AFR up top?

yah only 11 right now. i was basically calibrating my upper MAF curve with this log and im sticking with MBC so all i need to touch is timing to make sure my KR stays in check.

Originally Posted by lenny127 damn kneegrow.... u keep pushing it on stock internals?? only thing left standing will be your green/orange wheels me thinks lol good shit man, maybe now u can reclaim the "world's fastest ms6" he has a 3inch maf so his voltage reflects a higher number than our 2.75 stocker

im actually running the CPE 3.25 right now, my custom 3" is for sale though!!!

[rodrigo]

damn anthony good shit man, i wish i had mad powah... i got measly beat on ko4 powah

[aaronc7]

gt5 niggah, who cares about real cars

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by lenny127 damn anthony good shit man, i wish i had mad powah... i got measly beat on ko4 powah

the gift of speed will soon be with you my son. good things come to those who want it the most

[rigor]

lenny do you experience any missing, when the kr rears its ugly head?

[Lex]

Tony, if the g/s are calibrated correctly, you're clearing 400whp easily.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by rigor lenny do you experience any missing, when the kr rears its ugly head?

not really, but u can never tell when kr is only 1.0.... i dont feel any power drops ever unless its about 3kr

im o do some logs tonight with that pos kr off lol...... didnt need it b4 , dont need it now lol

[rodrigo]

alright, here are tonights logs, some KR ... not too bad, fuck 5700 rpm KR... ut of mind out of sight. next week do7 nozzle goes in and it will all go away anyways.

car is pretty consistent except for boost, MBC runs what it runs....some logs im closer to 22psi (#1) and some I am closer to 21psi.... but i like the mbc, fast acting no fuzz no muss.

datalog1.csv

datalog2.csv

datalog3.csv

datalog5.csv


by the way , when I got off the fwy to get back on the return trip from logging I ran into a new M3 coupe, we did a roll from about 45mph and we were dead even until 120mph... and i mean DEAD EVEN!! until he almost ran into the back of an SUV coming out of a tune lol

[psychophyr]

Glad to see it's working out for you lenny, enjoy your car!

[MSP611]

Excited to c how this turns out. I've gotta say u got a lotta balls goin BT with tht many miles. Almost makes me want to do it without rebuilding but I'm a scaredy cat

[bmylez]

Alright, since you mentioned the M3, it's time for...dun dun dun...RICER MAAAAATH.

M3 weighs 3706 and has 414hp. That is a lb/hp ratio of 8.94.

Lenny weighs 3153 and has X hp. To be dead even, he must have approximately 352 hohspaw at da crank.

[NJSPEED3]

if you wana go by weight to hp i would say he is making more than that. I'll let Lenny explain this one.

[bmylez]

Well, like I said, it's a rough estimate, but it's a decent ballpark. If he were making 400hp and weighed that much less, he would have freight trained the M3.

[cpolly69]

and power to weight isn't everything
how about the fact m3 is rwd, is balanced much better, and has much better gears - ditto for the mustang
it would take a hell of a driver to stand up to one of those cars in a ms3 down the 1/4
sushi roll is very possible tho....

[bmylez]

Oh I'm sure he's making more than 350, but even though weight/power isn't everything...if you weigh 600 lbs less than a car and have the same power...it would be very very sad to lose from a roll.

[Dano]

Originally Posted by bmylez Lenny weighs 3153 and has X hp

now I have seen partial pics of lenny and...although he looks like a sturdy built guy...well he doesn't weigh 3100LBS....

Lenny, In that 3rd log it looks like your KR probably continued to climb past the sensor cutoff at +1 KR...you needz that nozzle and maybe try the plugs


on the subject of roll racing badass BMWs...what are those newer cars with the big buldge in the hood...flared fenders...come in 2 door and sedan...[are those an M3 or M5 or something] well I have pulled the same guy [sedan] numerous times in my car from like 60-120ish.... pulled about car length on him and we started dead even...I think he may have been starting to catch up toward the end but we did this about 5 different times over the course of a month or so...and as soon as we went I jumped a length on him real quick and held it almost the whole time

he pulled up to me afterward and shrugged his sholders and smiled...his smile wasn't as big as mine LOL

fun times

jussayin....

[Dano]

Lenny, have you increased the throttle pos in the DBW tables? I noticed your TPS reads 77 and most OEM DBW setups read ~74...That right there should increase g/s..no?

I think I'll open mine up from 80 to like 90...does anyone know if that overdrives the TB sol?

[aaronc7]

his DBW tables are set to 100 max vs 80 that's stock in OTS maps

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by bmylez Alright, since you mentioned the M3, it's time for...dun dun dun...RICER MAAAAATH. M3 weighs 3706 and has 414hp. That is a lb/hp ratio of 8.94. Lenny weighs 3153 and has X hp. To be dead even, he must have approximately 352 hohspaw at da crank.

i can haz 4 bills + at the baffroom scale?

[bmylez]

Yes. Yes you can.

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by Lex Tony, if the g/s are calibrated correctly, you're clearing 400whp easily.

: biggest possible shit eating grin icon :



lenny what plugs are you running? it sounds like your ready for some 2step colders with a tiny gap. are you breaking up at WOT at all?

[bmylez]

Not trying to be a downer at all, but he said "IF"....just get it over with and get to a dyno

[rodrigo]

fuck dynos anthony, go hit a track and show us 117-118mph dyno-traps

[bmylez]

Yeah, that works too

I used to be caught up with just ETs...but now I almost care more about the trap.