Tune needed after drop in ?

[z_man]

So I'm probably going to get bashed for this but I've looked everywhere. I bought the new CS drop in turbo since my k04 was pretty much spent, I'm about to put it in but I have one question , do I need a tune if the trurbo and a cai are my only mods ? Reason I ask is because I'm low on money and I can't get the tune right at the moment. Would it be okay to drive for a while until I get an AP ? (Yes I know I should have bought this first) it's a 07 ms3 111,000 miles on it.

[taf0422]

Originally Posted by z_man So I'm probably going to get bashed for this but I've looked everywhere. I bought the new CS drop in turbo since my k04 was pretty much spent, I'm about to put it in but I have one question , do I need a tune if the trurbo and a cai are my only mods ? Reason I ask is because I'm low on money and I can't get the tune right at the moment. Would it be okay to drive for a while until I get an AP ? (Yes I know I should have bought this first) it's a 07 ms3 111,000 miles on it.

Everyone here is going to recommend a tune....

$250 tune vs 6500 motor....

[JJ Killa Nole]

Originally Posted by taf0422 Everyone here is going to recommend a tune.... $250 tune vs 6500 motor....

Yup. And a please purchase fuel pump internals.

[tegxsi]

Originally Posted by z_man So I'm probably going to get bashed for this but I've looked everywhere. I bought the new CS drop in turbo since my k04 was pretty much spent, I'm about to put it in but I have one question , do I need a tune if the trurbo and a cai are my only mods ? Reason I ask is because I'm low on money and I can't get the tune right at the moment. Would it be okay to drive for a while until I get an AP ? (Yes I know I should have bought this first) it's a 07 ms3 111,000 miles on it.

From CS website:
Important Notes

*Our Mazdaspeed replacement turbocharger requires supporting parts, fueling and tuning to reach 250-450 horsepower.

The CorkSport turbocharger does require the use of an aftermarket tune with Versatune or Cobb Accessport. Engine damage can occur without the proper tune and the installation of this turbo.

So you will need a tuning solution and don't forget HPFP upgrade

[Andjo]

just don't drive hard j/k

[z_man]

So engine damage is inevitable if I don't tune it?

[maisonvi]

Gotta pay to play. If you cant afford an AP or fuel pump internals, you shouldnt be buying a bigger than stock turbo

[z_man]

Originally Posted by maisonvi Gotta pay to play. If you cant afford an AP or fuel pump internals, you shouldnt be buying a bigger than stock turbo

It's a drop in, it's really not bigger by much, the k04 is smoking and I heard it'd not worth rebuilding

[mxlplx71]

Originally Posted by z_man It's a drop in, it's really not bigger by much, the k04 is smoking and I heard it'd not worth rebuilding

people have zzb on stock turbo. do whats required or dont bitch when it sends a rod out the side of the block

[z_man]

Originally Posted by mxlplx71 people have zzb on stock turbo. do whats required or dont bitch when it sends a rod out the side of the block

I don't believe I was bitching i was asking thanks for that input though, and I did do my research and I thought a HPFP isn't needed unless your trying to gain more HP, and I'm going to go ahead and keep the turbo and just wait for the AP and put both in at the same time

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by z_man It's a drop in, it's really not bigger by much, the k04 is smoking and I heard it'd not worth rebuilding

The k04 is very cheap and easy to rebuild. Mine was smoking, bought a new wheel and rebuild kit for $110, took it out, rebuilt it, put it back in (didn't have to balance it the whole assembly, unlike what many people claim), and haven't had any problems.

But you will need a tune for the CS Turbo, and you definitely need HPFP internals too if you don't have those already.

Did you do any reading whatsoever before your purchase, because asking these questions after the fact, I'm guessing not.

Sell the CS Turbo, buy an AP and internals, do a lot more reading.

[z_man]

Originally Posted by maisonvi Gotta pay to play. If you cant afford an AP or fuel pump internals, you shouldnt be buying a bigger than stock turbo

It's not that I can't afford it, i was only asking to see if I could get by without it for a little while , I was already installing fsb bushings today and was going to try and do it if I could

Originally Posted by jdmage_mx5 Hpfp internals are needed for pretty much any mod on this platform. From the factory these cars needed better pump internals.

I see, what would be the best route to go hpfp wise

[Atticaz]

Originally Posted by maisonvi Gotta pay to play. If you cant afford an AP or fuel pump internals, you shouldnt be buying a bigger than stock turbo

....or upgraded Intercooler ...or a DP.

[jdmage_mx5]

Hpfp internals are needed for pretty much any mod on this platform. From the factory these cars needed better pump internals.

[Thepedigree13]

You need alot more than just an AP and hpfp internals to operate safely and efficiently.

Good luck to you sir. I would purchase all supporting mods and knock it all out at once.

The term "drop in" is referring to ease of installation, not merely functionality.

[Djohns]

Honestly if you're tight on cash like you said your best bet is selling that turbo. You will need to buy internals (roughly $350 new) you'll need a tune ($200 give or take) and for it to be tuned you will need an AP (roughly $600? For v3)

[z_man]

Originally Posted by Djohns Honestly if you're tight on cash like you said your best bet is selling that turbo. You will need to buy internals (roughly $350 new) you'll need a tune ($200 give or take) and for it to be tuned you will need an AP (roughly $600? For v3)

Well I plan on getting the port here very soon, and the turbo in it only smokes once in a blue moon so hopefully I'm safe for a while cause I don't want to sell the CS , once I get the port and maps I'll put it on and then next up will be the hpfp. Any risks running it with just the tune and no hpfp?

[Djohns]

Originally Posted by z_man Well I plan on getting the port here very soon, and the turbo in it only smokes once in a blue moon so hopefully I'm safe for a while cause I don't want to sell the CS , once I get the port and maps I'll put it on and then next up will be the hpfp. Any risks running it with just the tune and no hpfp?

You will blow your engine up without hpfp internals and Cobb ots maps will not work with that turbo.

[MSMS3]

Not piling on, but you absolutely MUST have internals and a tune for that turbo, or you will go zoom, zoom, boom.

The real purpose of my response is to dispel your statement about K04s not being worth rebuilding. I got about 110,000 out of my stock K04. It never smoked at idle. I used Rotella T-6 and raised idle 200 rpm. It finally just wore out. I got a rebuilt K04 from Works Turbo in Birmingham, AL. They are first class (there are other good companies as well), and K04s are easily rebuilt.

I did have to have them put in a new CHRA because I had a broken compressor side vane (wheel hit the housing because of excess shaft wear), so my cost was a bit more. I think the total bill was about $450 for the exchange.

Maybe you should return the turbo you have and go with a rebuild, or else not install it until you have both AP and high pressure pump internals. I doubt that AP has an OTS tune for that turbo, so it will be a custom tune, too. Hook up with one of our excellent e-tuners here. Pay to play.

[WhiTe_JeZebel]

I'm just going to emphasize this...PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT HAS BEEN STATED.

That is all

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by z_man So I'm probably going to get bashed for this but I've looked everywhere. I bought the new CS drop in turbo since my k04 was pretty much spent, I'm about to put it in but I have one question , do I need a tune if the trurbo and a cai are my only mods ? Reason I ask is because I'm low on money and I can't get the tune right at the moment. Would it be okay to drive for a while until I get an AP ? (Yes I know I should have bought this first) it's a 07 ms3 111,000 miles on it.

You deserve EVERY bit of the bashing. You clearly haven't looked, you clearly haven't spent any time researching much of anything about this platform, and you clearly have not shown that you have any interest in keeping your car running for more than the next few minutes. Go ahead, Speed Racer, live your life 1/4 mile at a time. You may just only get that first 1/4 mile down the road though.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend that the CS turbo is capable of about 170whp/200wtq more than the K04 makes (stock), and that you absofuckinglutely MUST have supporting modifications if you want the motor to survive your next half-brained WOT run?!

YOU MUST UPGRADE YOUR HPFP INTERNALS, AND GET A CUSTOM TUNE (NOT AN OTS TUNE) IN ORDER TO SAFELY RUN THIS TURBO.

[z_man]

Originally Posted by Vansquish You deserve EVERY bit of the bashing. You clearly haven't looked, you clearly haven't spent any time researching much of anything about this platform, and you clearly have not shown that you have any interest in keeping your car running for more than the next few minutes. Go ahead, Speed Racer, live your life 1/4 mile at a time. You may just only get that first 1/4 mile down the road though. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that the CS turbo is capable of about 170whp/200wtq more than the K04 makes (stock), and that you absofuckinglutely MUST have supporting modifications if you want the motor to survive your next half-brained WOT run?! YOU MUST UPGRADE YOUR HPFP INTERNALS, AND GET A CUSTOM TUNE (NOT AN OTS TUNE) IN ORDER TO SAFELY RUN THIS TURBO.

I have read what I can and I've even talked with CS , and it not hard to comprehend I'm just trying to get it to run right dude I don't need you talking a bunch of shit to me about how I don't research to your standards, isn't a a forum like this to find Things out that you can't on your own ? Its dicks like you telling me I'm stupid and not doing my research why I don't like it here, i don't even see why your on here honestly if your not going to help people who know less. I wouldn't be here if I was a half brained WOT junkie, I was just asking for help

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by z_man I have read what I can and I've even talked with CS , and it not hard to comprehend I'm just trying to get it to run right dude I don't need you talking a bunch of shit to me about how I don't research to your standards, isn't a a forum like this to find Things out that you can't on your own ? Its dicks like you telling me I'm stupid and not doing my research why I don't like it here, i don't even see why your on here honestly if your not going to help people who know less. I wouldn't be here if I was a half brained WOT junkie, I was just asking for help

If you want help, we're happy to give it. We're just not particularly happy to give help when someone comes in and says, "I've looked everywhere" and then spouts a bunch of nonsense that clearly and unequivocally shows that he/she hasn't not done what he/she has claimed.

So, with that out of the way. Don't try to pull the wool over MSF's eyes, and the fountain of knowledge will be at your very disposal.

You need a tuning solution, and you need HPFP internals to safely run the CS turbo (or any turbo that is capable of more power than stock). There's your answer.

[z_man]

Originally Posted by Vansquish If you want help, we're happy to give it. We're just not particularly happy to give help when someone comes in and says, "I've looked everywhere" and then spouts a bunch of nonsense that clearly and unequivocally shows that he/she hasn't not done what he/she has claimed. So, with that out of the way. Don't try to pull the wool over MSF's eyes, and the fountain of knowledge will be at your very disposal. You need a tuning solution, and you need HPFP internals to safely run the CS turbo (or any turbo that is capable of more power than stock). There's your answer.

Yeah i understand that, but telling me to sell my car because i dont know enough is immature and doesnt benefit anything at all. When i asked CS about it they said all that i would need was a tune, i dont drive my car hard at all and i never have plans of racing it ever or going to the track, hell since ive owned it ive only gone WOT once, so im going to wait in the HPFP since i rarely go past half throttle

Originally Posted by g00s3y Only a half brained junkie could think they could put a bigger turbo in a car, run it without a tune, and everything would be fine. You don't even to need to have knowledge of this car to know that wouldn't work on any car. People are dicks, because you come here clearly lying about "research" you have done. If you had actually done any, you wouldn't be needing to ask any of these questions that you have asked. Don't be a dick and lie about things, and people in turn won't be a dick when telling you things. And, it's the internet, grow a fucking pair. Do words from random people online really hurt you that much? HPFP, AP, Tune. Yes you need all three.

"Half brained junkie" lol ive done my research and yes they hurt a lot

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by z_man Yeah i understand that, but telling me to sell my car because i dont know enough is immature and doesnt benefit anything at all. When i asked CS about it they said all that i would need was a tune, i dont drive my car hard at all and i never have plans of racing it ever or going to the track, hell since ive owned it ive only gone WOT once, so im going to wait in the HPFP since i rarely go past half throttle "Half brained junkie" lol ive done my research and yes they hurt a lot

You did research, and still thought you could install the CS turbo without any supporting mods, seems legit.

And if you aren't ever looking for power or any of that, why would you get the CS turbo? Why not just get a used k04, a new ebay k04, something that wouldn't need a tune? Why not try a banjo bolt, different oil, and you might not even smoke anymore.

[ANITIX87]

Originally Posted by z_man im going to wait in the HPFP since i rarely go past half throttle

You're playing with fire, even if you "rarely" go half-throttle. A lot of noobs don't get this - the HPFP won't fail gradually. You won't see signs of it. One minute you'll be fine, then you'll downshift to pass someone, go part-throttle with some boost, and you're sending pieces of engine through the oil pan. Along related lines, DO NOT get into boost below 3,000rpm, especially with the new turbo, as you'll overload and destroy the engine.

Now that I've been helpful...

Originally Posted by z_man Its dicks like you telling me I'm stupid and not doing my research why I don't like it here

Then leave. We're not dicks, we're huge, sloppy, loose vaginas. And you're stupid, at least you had that right.

Tots

[Dano]

OP, Understand that when you are talking to a person, or group, that has way more knowledge than yourself, that its easy for us to overlook some of what we feel are obvious steps, in this case a turbo upgrade. MSF has told you the required mods.

CS may have only told you you needed a tune but that is not the only thing you need. Mods are generally applied in a fairly consistent order no matter what platform you are on so the person over there assumed you would already have said supporting mods before undertaking a turbo upgrade.

Skipping from CAI to a larger turbo, is not the correct order and thus CS didn't assume that was what you were doing.

sooooooo The bottom line is you need a tuning solution and CDFP upgrade before moving forward.

and lets call a spade a spade. you started this thread under false pretenses...you didn't research anything.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by z_man I have read what I can and I've even talked with CS , and it not hard to comprehend I'm just trying to get it to run right dude I don't need you talking a bunch of shit to me about how I don't research to your standards, isn't a a forum like this to find Things out that you can't on your own ? Its dicks like you telling me I'm stupid and not doing my research why I don't like it here, i don't even see why your on here honestly if your not going to help people who know less. I wouldn't be here if I was a half brained WOT junkie, I was just asking for help

Only a half brained junkie could think they could put a bigger turbo in a car, run it without a tune, and everything would be fine. You don't even to need to have knowledge of this car to know that wouldn't work on any car.

People are dicks, because you come here clearly lying about "research" you have done. If you had actually done any, you wouldn't be needing to ask any of these questions that you have asked. Don't be a dick and lie about things, and people in turn won't be a dick when telling you things.

And, it's the internet, grow a fucking pair. Do words from random people online really hurt you that much?

HPFP, AP, Tune. Yes you need all three.

[Djohns]

Originally Posted by z_man I have read what I can and I've even talked with CS , and it not hard to comprehend I'm just trying to get it to run right dude I don't need you talking a bunch of shit to me about how I don't research to your standards, isn't a a forum like this to find Things out that you can't on your own ? Its dicks like you telling me I'm stupid and not doing my research why I don't like it here, i don't even see why your on here honestly if your not going to help people who know less. I wouldn't be here if I was a half brained WOT junkie, I was just asking for help

That is legit playing with fire in a hay pen. Some of these cars have been known to need internals after a simple intake. When it blows it happens suddenly and unexpectedly. There are no signs leading up to it. It just goes. I would highly recommend you do not do anything without those internals

[g00s3y]

You obviously just don't read or listen. Sell the car to someone knowledgeable before you blow it.

[Djohns]

Just to ask, are you even really sure the turbo is smoking and it just isn't the fact that your PCV valve may be shot? If so, what test did you do to confirm this?

[Thepedigree13]

Despite the sarcasm, we all genuinely want you to succeed with your build.

The way I see it, and I believe most here will agree, is spend the money on a Cobb AP, hpfp internals, and a tune. If it were me I would upgrade your downpipe at this time to save yourself from going through that situation twice. This will all cost roughly 1500-2000 dollars depending on where you buy, new, used, etc.

Or

Sell the CS turbo. Selling the turbo should get you all the money you need to purchase the AP and Internals, possibly even enough to repair/replace your K04, if it is necessary.

This is all certainly information that you could have found on MSF using google or stickies, in no more than a couple of hours of research.

As for suggesting you sell the car. Well, we love these cars more than we love noobs, so we hate to see them suffer.

Your welcome.

[blue speed]

If short on cash right now at least get a cell phone app that will give you some important info to read fuel pressure.

[Easter Bunny]

@Raider; please close this.

[Djohns]

This is what I'm going to suggest to you. Pull your turbo inlet and check for shaft play. If minimal movement install a banjo bolt and run rotella T6 oil. If still no fix, pick up a PCV valve for $20 and change that out. When that goes you burn oil. Then if you are still burning oil a week after you put the new valve in, you turbo is done. The options at that point are these, rebuild/pick up a used ko4 or install your CS but please for the love of God and for yours and your cars safety install the internals, get an AP, get a tune made for your car ( freek offers amazing tunes for $200)

[Raider]

Anyone who has read anything about this turbo knows a tune is required. It is in the multiple threads here. It is even on the product page to be seen prior to purchase.
Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 Turbo Upgrade


So yes you do.