BOV/BPV Thread

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by Inquisitive Updated The OP was biased by his choice for HKS over TS.

Indeed. Are you going to remove the last sentence here?: "Most BOV/BPV will need some maintenance through the years. Basically they need to be re-oiled. Good thing about the HKS is that this minor maintenance isn't required."

Also, you don't have the Synapse DV.
Diverter Valve | Bov | smallest, lightest, fastest blow off valve on the market.
and
Mazdaspeed3 2007-2013 and Mazdapseed6 2005-2007 Synchronic DV Kit: Official Synapse Store | Buy our DV, BOV, and Wastegate with Synchronic Technology and more | Synapse Engineering
... among other places it can be purchased.

[faeker]

Why would he remove it?

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by faeker Why would he remove it?

Because

Originally Posted by Inquisitive The OP was biased by his choice for HKS over TS.

And because... is it true? I haven't found instructions for it but if you look up "HKS SSQV maintenance" or "HKS BO maintenance" on Google you get lots of hits. The manuals for every other one I've looked at, including the Cobb one that they claim minimizes maintenance, suggest periodic maintenance. Except the Synapse ones who don't address it in their product manual at all, only in the FAQs on the website. And they still sell a rebuild kit, which makes me not really believe the claim that it never needs maintenance or whatever (having a long maintenance interval is not the same as never needing maintenance, though there might be an interesting debate here between what counts as normal part breakage from use/wear vs. maintenance). But theoretically neither of the Synapse ones, including one that is already included, has that same advantage.

At the very least, IF it is a claim made by HKS on their website, it should go in the section for the HKS with the rest of their marketing claims. These threads aren't intended to suggest or sway people to any given thing, just to show the options and duplicate their marketing claims.

Speaking of which, it is actually one of my beefs with these threads that they reiterate the companies' marketing claims. Marketing claims are usually useless and often times just straight up incorrect.

[Inquisitive]

Originally Posted by aackthpt Indeed. Are you going to remove the last sentence here?: "Most BOV/BPV will need some maintenance through the years. Basically they need to be re-oiled. Good thing about the HKS is that this minor maintenance isn't required."

There are many posts by owners of BOV/BPV that claim and confirm the first two sentences and HKS owners seem to love their product. What is unknown is how maintenance conscious BOV/BPV owners are in general. For that matter, how many OEM BPV owners even try to do any maintenance on theirs. Further more, how long do HKS owners keep their speeds vs other speed owners. That is, there could be a survivor bias.

Remember that the order that I quote is based upon actual purchase volumes as seen in signatures / profiles. The OP quoted HKS first because that was his purchase choice / bias. HKS may require no or less maintenance, but it is typically more expensive and thus, I believe, not the first choice by this forum's members.

I will update my post (Synapse DV, etc.) when I get back to South Africa. I am still travelling across the US at the moment.

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by Inquisitive There are many posts by owners of BOV/BPV that claim and confirm the first two sentences and HKS owners seem to love their product. The OP quoted HKS first because that was his purchase choice / bias. HKS may require no or less maintenance, but it is typically more expensive and thus, I believe, not the first choice by this forum's members. I will update my post (Synapse DV, etc.) when I get back to South Africa. I am still travelling across the US at the moment.

I've seen plenty of claims by people that various BPV/BOV require no/less maintenance than others. Again, I don't believe it and wouldn't sanction putting that in the portion of the post above where the listings begin for any of them.

I don't give a crap about the order in which they are presented. No fucks given. I'm simply suggesting that if you want to remove the OP's bias for this one product, you need to remove this statement. It sounded as though that was a goal based on your exchanges with Raider. If that's a no fucks given situation, then that's fine. Just pointing out errors and updates, as is requested for these threads.

[Inquisitive]

Originally Posted by aackthpt Speaking of which, it is actually one of my beefs with these threads that they reiterate the companies' marketing claims. Marketing claims are usually useless and often times just straight up incorrect.

I am not quite sure what you are intimating, but I never intended to appear to be putting on airs of being a subject matter expert. My talent lies in consisely summarising, including marketing claims in the absence of specific, pertinent comments from actual members' experience, such as in my EM thread.

However, upon my return, I will remove, "Good thing about the HKS is that this minor maintenance isn't required."

[faeker]

He's just being an asshole cock bag

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by faeker He's just being an asshole cock bag

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ass...rHigherRes.jpg

Also, thanks for the compliment.

[Inquisitive]

Originally Posted by aackthpt https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ass...rHigherRes.jpg

HAHAA - yes, I have seen this before...pick a fallacy. For the "burden of proof" iirc it was the OP's statement, but as I hadn't quoted it, it could also have been mentioned by someone in this thread. I just don't travel with my rfinkle2-type of references.

Originally Posted by aackthpt Also, thanks for the compliment.

lol - with a tinge of sarcasm on your part, but I applaud you for making light of it. There is a lot of aggression in this forum (many Type As), but then I assume that you race to win (Nator).

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by Inquisitive HAHAA - yes, I have seen this before...pick a fallacy. For the "burden of proof" iirc it was the OP's statement, but as I hadn't quoted it, it could also have been mentioned by someone in this thread. I just don't travel with my rfinkle2-type of references. lol - with a tinge of sarcasm on your part, but I applaud you for making light of it. There is a lot of aggression in this forum (many Type As), but then I assume that you race to win (Nator).

Hahaha, good call there. Actually I was mostly considering "tu quoque" for the name calling. But then I thought again and realized that "asshole cock bag" was probably a compliment or term of endearment around here.

Anyway I didn't want an argument in the first place and considered anything I posted more a logical discussion. And BTW, I'm still OK with the statement, just not where and how it was presented. If you want to put it into the HKS section, and put a similar statement on the Synapse products (for example), and/or any others to which it applies, I'd be fine with keeping it. I just want to keep things as truthful and non-confusing as possible. Modifying this car, and making one's way around this forum, is difficult enough as it is.

BTW, I wasn't intending to complain about your work @Inquisitive;. I've enjoyed your updates and contributions to the forum. Also I knew about your travel from other threads in which I've made suggestions so I wasn't expecting fast action (nor was it needed in any way).

[Soupamayne]

Hey im looking for a bov for
My protege and im
Not a big online buyer, wheres the best place to get one? Its an 03 but not having much luck.

[Raider]

Call these guys up. Current sale on now for em.
EdgeAutosport Weekly Sale!

[Soupamayne]

Hey i checked that site the only thing they ha for my car was coilovers lol

[Raider]

Did you try calling? They can get it.

[Inquisitive]

@aackthpt;
I don’t think that I was the culprit in "tu quoque" or didn’t intend to be anyway. Keep up with the additions.

After driving 4,100 miles through 17 states and visiting two other states, I could finally return to my own much missed bed and even update this thread.

If you are satisfied, then Raider can update the OP.

[Raider]

I will update the OP and the KB.

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by Inquisitive @aackthpt; I don’t think that I was the culprit in "tu quoque" or didn’t intend to be anyway. Keep up with the additions.

Agreed.

If you are satisfied, then Raider can update the OP.

At this time I have no further additions beyond what was discussed above.

[ATXMSpeed3]

I have not read through everyone else's comments on here, but I just put on my HKS SSQ BOV and I have to say, the Torque Solutions flange is a POS! Could not get my snap ring on and I had two others helping me. Thankfully I had ordered a 3P Perfomance one as well and it worked like a charm! Also the Recirc hose plug from Torque is super tight. Does not fit well at all and I think that is because they decided to put a lip on either side of the plug. wtf?!? Im going to eventually just remove that recirc hose since I'm VTA now and just plug from the other end. Anyway, just a little advice on the adapter flange if anyone runs into the problem

Great write up btw!

[Wcdfmt510]

I cannot find any info on what I tried. So I took the stock bpv house off and it throws cel for lean at idle. Also Capped off bpv hose...Now what I don't get is why and how when u put a actual bov you don't get cel?

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[faeker]

10 month rez. Wasn't really needed

[Esandman93]

Okay, so I have been searching all over this forum as well as online in general and cant find an answer or post about what I did. I was purchased the Turbosmart Dual Port Maz Type 5 BPV / BOV Combination as a present from my brother. I see in the list of of BOV that this does not work with stock air box because the BOV is big and will not fit. I got it to fit by unbolting the screw that holds the stock air box upright really close to the original BOV. how bad is this to do? I don't really see an issue because all hoses are fine and the air intake box is just sitting a little lower than normal. My car is running fine and I plan on upgrading the CAI, but is this okay to run in the mean time? My car is stock other than the BOV and I know people say not to get a BOV on a stock car, but it was a gift and I've always wanted a BOV. Any help or suggestions are much appreciated.

[ASHMS3]

Originally Posted by Esandman93 Okay, so I have been searching all over this forum as well as online in general and cant find an answer or post about what I did. I was purchased the Turbosmart Dual Port Maz Type 5 BPV / BOV Combination as a present from my brother. I see in the list of of BOV that this does not work with stock air box because the BOV is big and will not fit. I got it to fit by unbolting the screw that holds the stock air box upright really close to the original BOV. how bad is this to do? I don't really see an issue because all hoses are fine and the air intake box is just sitting a little lower than normal. My car is running fine and I plan on upgrading the CAI, but is this okay to run in the mean time? My car is stock other than the BOV and I know people say not to get a BOV on a stock car, but it was a gift and I've always wanted a BOV. Any help or suggestions are much appreciated.

As long as everything is running okay you're fine for the time being. If they are rubbing together you will want to grab an intake sooner rather than later so you don't rub a hole in the box.

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[repthereds]

hey guys, I just bought a 2013 MS3 and it had a turbosmart BOV on it. I've been driving it for 2 days and kept hearing a "pigeon" type noise aka flutter. I thought oh shit compressor surge. I looked at the BOV and noticed it wasnt opening! So long story short I took it off and the piston had a little corrosion and wouldnt open and hasn't been this whole time. I got it all lubed up and am finally getting that psssssssh noise, yay! Any advice on tuning it harder or softer or where that sweet spot might be?

[MSMS3]

Originally Posted by repthereds hey guys, I just bought a 2013 MS3 and it had a turbosmart BOV on it. I've been driving it for 2 days and kept hearing a "pigeon" type noise aka flutter. I thought oh shit compressor surge. I looked at the BOV and noticed it wasnt opening! So long story short I took it off and the piston had a little corrosion and wouldnt open and hasn't been this whole time. I got it all lubed up and am finally getting that psssssssh noise, yay! Any advice on tuning it harder or softer or where that sweet spot might be?

Only advice is to run it recirc if you are not. Make it a BPV and not a BOV. Your engine will run smoother.

[PatRoell]

Okay guys may be a dumb question, I have an 08 Speed3 its literally stock except for resonator delete... I would like to get a bov or bpv, do I need any sort of tuning for either of them?

[faeker]

how about no to both.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by PatRoell Okay guys may be a dumb question, I have an 08 Speed3 its literally stock except for resonator delete... I would like to get a bov or bpv, do I need any sort of tuning for either of them?

Definitely a dumb question.
Don't get either.
Fucking ricer.

[Esandman93]

Idk why this website is filled with nothing but douchebags... Having a forum and posting is to get help and all anyone does is talk shit.
Your speed already has a BPV and is not meant for a BOV. I have a BOV on my 2011 speed cause it was a gift and I see no harm done. I am already over the psshhht noise so I would advice against and put the money towards something else that will add power. Eventually a BOV has the possibility of damaging your car so all and all not worth it. I also did not get a tune done when I installed my BOV.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Esandman93 Idk why this website is filled with nothing but douchebags... Having a forum and posting is to get help and all anyone does is talk shit. Your speed already has a BPV and is not meant for a BOV. I have a BOV on my 2011 speed cause it was a gift and I see no harm done. I am already over the psshhht noise so I would advice against and put the money towards something else that will add power. Eventually a BOV has the possibility of damaging your car so all and all not worth it. I also did not get a tune done when I installed my BOV.

Because the question he asked has been asked numerous times already. A simple search would have found the answer. Your answer is a good one.

And the first mod of his was deleting the resonator (sound mod), and now he wants to change the BPV (because sound). So in a "performance" based car, he cares more about sound , instead of performance. To each his own, but calling him a ricer isn't incorrect.

[faeker]

this thread itself has the answer of "you really shouldn't do this" in regards to a bov. fuck off with your brownie faggot logic.

[Esandman93]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Because the question he asked has been asked numerous times already. A simple search would have found the answer. Your answer is a good one. And the first mod of his was deleting the resonator (sound mod), and now he wants to change the BPV (because sound). So in a "performance" based car, he cares more about sound , instead of performance. To each his own, but calling him a ricer isn't incorrect.

I just don't understand why people take the time out to read the post, type out a response, and the response is just shit talking. Yes it was a noob question and yes a BOV is rice as fuck and I'm saying that with one in my car right now, but like I said. I'm over the noise already and I'm gonna make it recirculating soon.
And the search system for this site blows chodes. But yea. He should've at least tried looking.

[MS3Shadow]

That's why we always suggest using the search tool in my sig, it'll always work better than this site search.

sent from my Nexus 6P

[Esandman93]

Originally Posted by MS3Shadow That's why we always suggest using the search tool in my sig, it'll always work better than this site search. sent from my Nexus 6P

I myself know how to use google to search a site for info. But not everyone does.
But fact of the matter is that people on here don't help for shit. I'm not a noob anymore, but I'm sure as hell no expert and I could use advice from people on here that know more, but id rather figure it out on my own than ask and get nothing but "learn how to search you fucking idiot" when I've done nothing but research since I got my damn car.

[faeker]

when you ask the same fucking question that's been asked a thousand fucking times in an actual fucking thread based around that dumb fucking question and you still don't know the fucking answer.........people like me get to give you a fucking reply like this.


fucker.

[Esandman93]

Originally Posted by faeker when you ask the same fucking question that's been asked a thousand fucking times in an actual fucking thread based around that dumb fucking question and you still don't know the fucking answer.........people like me get to give you a fucking reply like this. fucker.

At the point I'm at, I could give two fucks what kind of response you have for me. At the end of the day, 9/10 people here will act like fucking children and talk shit instead of help. If you're tired of reading the same question then just ignore it. The fuck is so hard about that? Anyways I'm done with my rant. Keep wasting your time with talking shit to noobs if that's what makes you happy in life I guess.

Originally Posted by faeker when you ask the same fucking question that's been asked a thousand fucking times in an actual fucking thread based around that dumb fucking question and you still don't know the fucking answer.........people like me get to give you a fucking reply like this. fucker.

I do see where you're coming from though.

[faeker]

we can't ignore it because that fucking question pops up everywhere. if you're really interested to on learning anything, read the God damn stickies in your gens forum. they give more than the first few steps towards treating your fucking car right. trust me, the stickies are chock full of great info that we children have amassed over years of ownership.

[g00s3y]

Angry post I now edited...

Still mean it, but shouldn't be cluttering up this thread. Carry on folks...

fucking noobs

[RackEmUp]

Anybody have experience with the Turbo By Cobb BPV?

[bross2009]

For people driving a mazdaspeed 6 I have a dual port bov on my car I set it up 2 ways
1st way was VTA and block off the recirculation the car drove great and still does
then yesterday I set it to recirculation only connected the hose and block off the other end of the valve and runs really good minus cant heat it boosting up but I figured ill share what I experienced with. comments from other would be great

[Jaysspeeed3]

so I've been doing so much research on building my mazdaspeed 3 safely. i want some nice gains but i don't want to run into any issues. motor mounts, transmission mount already bought. cobb sri, cobb tip, corksport fuel injector seals. nothing has been mounted on yet. gov has been my next approach including cobb ap. great write up on this thread. been thinking of the his bov. but as you were writing about bov's with maf. bov has to be mounted 12'' from the throttle plate and maf 6'' from bov. my question is are there any additional parts id need to make the install with those specs. or should i get rid of the maf. thanks in advance. I'm still new to this site.
jay