DCR Update Thread

[Snyeed]

Thanks for the update palerider, Its really good to read all that information.

Sounds like DCR does not play around...

[aviator79]

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Thanks for the update randy...wish I was closer.

[smakdown61]

When can we expect the bolt on stuff like the tmic, cdfp, etc...I'll be in the market soon but probably won't want to wait more than a few months.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by smakdown61 When can we expect the bolt on stuff like the tmic, cdfp, etc...I'll be in the market soon but probably won't want to wait more than a few months.

There will be options available within a couple months. Obviously there won't be a full lineup.... But that is the intention by the time midsummer rolls around. What are you specifically looking for?

[mz32quick]

I'm most interested in the TMIC he's developing. Options FTW!

[MarkyMark]

Let me know when I can stock some of thier products, I can't wait to see what they come up with.

[skeeter149]

new parts ftw. now i just need new money.....

[smakdown61]

Originally Posted by palerider There will be options available within a couple months. Obviously there won't be a full lineup.... But that is the intention by the time midsummer rolls around. What are you specifically looking for?

Mainly the TMIC and CDFP.

[aaronc7]

awesome info. can't wait to see more. BTW i just felt like groaning for fun lol.

[JMEngineer]

In a couple years I'm going to have a 2.6L twin turbo, engine completely built for 1000+hp, making 400-500whp on low boost and pump gas, capable of 700's on high boost and race gas.

If DCR makes that possible with my MS6 I might decide to not get an R34 GTR

[rodrigo]

automatics for a 9 sec car is the way to go. you get torque multiplication off the line and u get consistency, only issues are stall speeds vs streetability.

good shit randy.

[martyxattack]

fuckin cant wait to see some speeds makin power.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by smakdown61 Mainly the TMIC and CDFP.

those are actually going to be two of the first most likely..lol

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by palerider those are actually going to be two of the first most likely..lol

wow...hopefully, a CDFP upgrade that actually works!!! What a novel idea lol.

A TMIC and even FMIC option would be nice....I'd like to see a DP as well.

I know there was some talk of this but is there any chance of collaborative work between Cobb and DCR for tuning?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by 94jedi wow...hopefully, a CDFP upgrade that actually works!!! What a novel idea lol. A TMIC and even FMIC option would be nice....I'd like to see a DP as well. I know there was some talk of this but is there any chance of collaborative work between Cobb and DCR for tuning?

we have upgrades that work. people want 100% success on the very first time with a kit and it can NEVER be gauranteed with an internal. only on a built pump can we test it. thats why we'll be building pumps and sending them out. they will still be far more expensive than the internals.

there will be collaboration with dcr and cobb and collaboration with cpe hopefully. DCR isnt going to play favorites. if something works it will be used. he may even have collaboration with some ems stuff that isnt even been released to the community yet

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by palerider we have upgrades that work. people want 100% success on the very first time with a kit and it can NEVER be gauranteed with an internal. only on a built pump can we test it. thats why we'll be building pumps and sending them out. they will still be far more expensive than the internals. there will be collaboration with dcr and cobb and collaboration with cpe hopefully. DCR isnt going to play favorites. if something works it will be used. he may even have collaboration with some ems stuff that isnt even been released to the community yet

Awesome...can't wait for more news!!

[RocketScientist]

Originally Posted by 94jedi in a high hp turbo car, automatic is the way to go. Especially in a FWD.

Originally Posted by kore2000 I don't care if it is faster, automatics suck from a fun standpoint. Other than that this is fucking great news.

Automatics are much easier on the entire drive train. Don't knock the fun standpoint. I build a V8 Vega in 1979 pushing about 450 hp using a turbo400 trans with custom shift kit and ratchet shifter. Ran out of money so I ran it for a while with the stock rear end. Shifting into 2nd would roast the tires. The wimpy little 4 banger stock rear actually held up for quite a while. Swapped over to a 9" after I tore the lower axle mounts out of the uni-body. Accidently held the lockout up and hit reverse when going into 2nd at redline. Ended up on the sidewalk, sideways, with the biggest cloud of tire smoke you've ever seen. That was a fun car.

If DCR determines we need some lower end work I hope they release that first, I'm close to pulling the motor and going forged, be nice to do any other bottom end work while it's out.

[Derek88]

DCR= less drama, more action. This is what we need! I can't wait to see some results.

Good luck!

[fhaze]

I can easily drop 5k on my speed6. I haven't yet because nothing is "proven" per se. I don't need mad HP but 300hp and 300+ lb/ft would be nice as long as it is reliable to 100k. I have 40k on the car now, stock. I'd like a SRI, TMIC, TBE, Tune, and supporting drive train mods. Thats not an unreasonable request, nor #. I'd like to pay less if I could. Any EVO can do that for faaaar less.

[FCmaniac]

I'm also interested in a TMIC that fits perfect and competes with the ETS/SU prices.

[kore2000]

Is it early May yet? Give me more updates, I want play by play..you know what..just hook up a mic to a laptop and place it in DCR's shop and then stream it over the internet. Then post the link.

[Demi]

Great now there are two jars of money on my desk. "bills" and "Randy".
Good work brother.

[phailerider]

darrell has made some interesting comments regarding some things. one im going to pass along is that he feels our stock bottom end is stronger than the calibers. AND he thinks the head has the potential to flow as well as any 4cylinder head hes ever seen. The caliber made 567whp with some head work on the stock bottom end. just food for thought....

it would be really intersting if we made 500 whp on the stock bottom end, with a ported disi head wouldnt it?

only question i guess left is..... whats different about the way our motor is and the way the caliber is? sorry to be vague....lol im trying to be careful here....of course ive discussed it with him.... but it might make for some interesting discussion for everybody else here

[bf360]

Originally Posted by palerider darrell made an interesting comment today. he feels our bottom end is stronger than the calibers. AND he thinks the head has the potential to flow as well as any 4cylinder head hes ever seen. The caliber made 560whp with some head work on the stock bottom end. just food for thought.... it would be really intersting if we made 500 whp on the stock bottom end, with a ported disi head wouldnt it? only question i guess left is..... whats different about the way our motor is and the way the caliber is? sorry to be vague....lol im trying to be careful here.... but it might make for some interesting discussion for everybody.

this is going to get good, and start to prove a lot of things ive thought already, think about how many people have blown up from stupid things and how many with decent power, well for our cars big power so far, have stayed together, everyone always points to the blame of weak motors but enough knock dentenation heat can kill any motor

whats different?
It doesnt run as hot as our motor and is pi

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by bf360 whats different? It doesnt run as hot as our motor and is pi

darrell does things a litlle different and its gonna help things out.
1. he looks at a motor
2. he decides what physically needs to be changed so it doesnt break if it makes 1000whp using basic well known principles
3. he takes what he knows that will work to tune, and fuel that motor and those principles.... even if the solution makes what exists, a parapalegic

then the job is done. after all....parts is parts. and our parts shouldnt be blowing anywhere close to the levels weve seen so far. that means... something is seriously flawed in this suckers system for big, SAFE, power. our discussions should be making it simple... not so complicated. and the answer isnt some crazy unknown kink we havent stumbled on yet.... its bigger than that. its basic.

[psychophyr]

Skip to the spoiler goddamnit what is it? lol

[yang_jackson]

Originally Posted by palerider darrell does things a litlle different and its gonna help things out. 1. he looks at a motor 2. he decides what physically needs to be changed so it doesnt break if it makes 1000whp using basic well known principles 3. he takes what he knows that will work to tune, and fuel that motor and those principles.... even if the solution makes what exists, a parapalegic then the job is done. after all....parts is parts. and our parts shouldnt be blowing anywhere close to the levels weve seen so far. that means... something is seriously flawed in this suckers system for big, SAFE, power. our discussions should be making it simple... not so complicated. and the answer isnt some crazy unknown kink we havent stumbled on yet.... its bigger than that. its basic.

im cartarded. dont know shit. but what i do think your saying here is that DCR might know why our cars are popping? if he has a cure, that will be the next 'mod' i do. if it turns out to be proven, i will strap on everything he puts out there and make my car DCR stoopid fast.
if this is indeed what you mean, keep us posted and tell him to HTFU! no disrespect.

[bf360]

a better flowing head and a way to keep heat down is my best guess

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by bf360 a better flowing head and a way to keep heat down is my best guess

...it runs hot
...it runs lean
...in closed loop it teachs itself to run as much damn timing as it can and not get knock.. which means it runs right on the edge of knock and detonation. if a condition changes.. there is no room for error. and that is especially true for loaded conditions under partial throttle.
...the head is loaded with sharp wicked edges to encourage a swirl effect to blend the direct injection homogenously. which means hot, can become dangerous.
...the ecu was created to make fuel economy first, then power second
...the motor wants to recycle emissions whenever possible
...the fuel system is especially vulnerable down low, but thats what its designed for because thats where it can run lean and make quick power

our car is built with lots of new principles in place. most are not in the best interest of what would tradionally be encouraged for lots of power. there isnt a "simple" fix. not for big power. well there is... but its not "simple" like you think.

if you want 60-80whp over stock... the system takes it right in stride. and then.... its maxed out. the same thing that blows our stock motors prematurely, well thats why it doesnt matter on the built motors either. the whole system needs to be changed. and im not saying it needs to be eliminated.... it simply needs to be ignored. ignored... and the rest needs to go back to the basics. why? becuase our motor is strong as balls, and if we go back to the basics, then it will start to act like we'd expect it to.

[jwdp54]

Originally Posted by bf360 a better flowing head and a way to keep heat down is my best guess

that's one thing i've noticed which other may have already is our cars do not like heat. i see knock all the time now(no my motors not about to blow lol) and it doesn't matter where at in the rpms. my cars used to midwest weather where it ran great but the az weather is putting a beating on my motor.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by palerider ...it runs hot ...it runs lean ...in closed loop it teachs itself to run as much damn timing as it can and not get knock.. which means it runs right on the edge of knock and detonation. if a condition changes.. there is no room for error. and that is especially true for loaded conditions under partial throttle. ...the head is loaded with sharp wicked edges to encourage a swirl effect to blend the direct injection homogenously. which means hot, can become dangerous. ...the ecu was created to make fuel economy first, then power second ...the motor wants to recycle emissions whenever possible ...the fuel system hates power down low for safety, but thats what its designed for because thats where it can run lean and make quick power our car is built with lots of new principles in place. most are not in the best interest of what would tradionally be encouraged for lots of power. there isnt a "simple" fix. not for big power. if you want 60-80whp over stock... the system takes it right in stride. and then.... its maxed out. the same thing that blows our stock motors prematurely, well thats why it doesnt matter on the built motors either. the whole system needs to be changed. and im not saying it needs to be eliminated.... it simply needs to be ignored. ignored... and the rest needs to go back to the basics. why? becuase our motor is strong as balls, and if we go back to the basics, then it will start to act like we'd expect it to.

It's sort of like ron said, the more you dum down the mazda ecu the happier you will be

[yang_jackson]

REFLASH!!!!!

[JMEngineer]

hmm.... I have an extra NI cRIO sitting around. I could easily program a completely new closed loop control system with far more capability than the stock ecu. Stay a little farther away from knock.. safely push things a lot harder with a bigger cushion..
40MHz base clock on a truly parallel processing system...
It's too bad people won't want to pay $20000 for a computer mod or I might consider it.

I have faith in DCR and I just want a fix as soon as possible.

[ATE BALLER]

Speed density wil be our friends when we're tuning our pi secondaries Good old, cheap, reliable, never fucks up, speed density. Welcome back old friend

[2XS (From OZ)]

Wow, interesting read. Can't wait to hear the outcome, but, I'll have to.

[94jedi]

Randy, you talking about a full/real stand alone?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by 94jedi Randy, you talking about a full/real stand alone?

no, not yet. it isnt needed. we have all the material we need to tune this motor available now... for the most part. i believe it just isnt being used properly.

[BlackMS3]

This all makes sense... the A/F below 3K is scary and would obviously cause the engine to run hot... and why all these motors are breaking cruising at long periods in low RPM's... lots of heat... and I'd bet the fuel dilution doesn't help either... lots of fail with this motor!!!

I'll use my dyno as a reference... look at my A/F below 3000 rpms... you know it only is worse lower...

[socks]

I think they need to see ATR. its got a LOT of control. closed loop, open loop, hell you can change your cruising afr to 12:1 if you wanted to... the timing maps are very complex. i think they'll like it.

[triplejumper18]

How much of this could I have Surgeline tune for?

EDIT: If DCR and Cobb/Surgeline could work together and figure out the best way to tune (even for stock or minor bolt on people), there will be a lot of happy people and lots of money to be made.