Engine coolant
 

I know mazda uses some funky coolant..
can you mix it with other brands ? or does ALL mazda the coolant need to be flushed out ? before adding normal stuff...
116k miles on my speed on stock coolant.
any option other than the mazda coolant .
I know ford has a coolant that basically the same as mazdas......

We use fl 22, Google its compatibility, I'm on my phone or I'd help more.

Mazda FL-22 Coolant Information - Mazda3Forums.com

tl/dr

go to http://ricartmazdaparts.com/

put in 0000-77-508E-20 in the parts search box and select mazda

and there you go

Unicorn jizz with a dash of leprechaun blood (for color of course).

:ziplip: Just make sure you use the right ratio on anything you use.

John, if you need FL-22, i have like 3 jugs of it. you only need about 1 1/2 to fill your car up. let me know.

You haz FL22 badge on coolant tank?

If not does it get hot?

if so Engine Ice High Performance Coolant - 64oz. 1/2 GAL

Prestone pre-mix and done. Got it on sale. It's great stuff for the lazy.

From @TiGraySpeed6 on the mazda6club forums
MS6 Fluid Notes & DIY Pictures - Mazda 6 Forums : Mazda 6 Forum / Mazda Atenza Forum

> Coolant
'06 MS6 Manual - 8.5 us qts (2.25 us gallons)
Type- Mazda FL22
Mazda OEM - part# 0000-77-508E-20
Ford Specialty Green Coolant - Motorcraft part # VC-10-A or VC-10-A2 - $27.59 gallon 50/50 mix
Zerex Asian Vehicle Coolant - NAPA Part # ZRX 675130 - $13.99 gallon of 50/50 mix



It seems that only Mazda has coolant called "FL22"
- - Well, OK then, just WTF is FL22, and is this going to be a PITA?

Some clarity, compliments of the BobIsTheOilGuy forums, and a poster named ponderosaTX:

:) :)

so does coolant ever wear out ?? not cool as well as new coolant ?
so i guess if i just drain it ALL out and flush it a few times i should be good adding Prestone or some other normal coolant ..

hahaha thats what i did, engine is an engine, coolant is a coolant

yes, just like engine oil, it gets dirty over time and loses its effectiveness

Yeah it does, but it really does seem to last for a while. The first time I "inadvertently" drained my coolant a year ago it came out looking pretty much the same as the stuff I had in there, HOWEVER I used to have my ECTs constantly at 180ish. never ever got it any lower.

After i put brand new fluid in, i can get it down to 169 on a cold day, mid 170's in the evening with 70ish degree weather on the interstate cruising at 60-75 mph 6th gear.

Those few degrees Fahrenheit may not sound like much, but it's proof there is a difference.

Thanks @p057 - that one is here on MSF too -
http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...ctures-100877/

Coolant does/can wear out- that is the protective additives will lose their effectiveness.

The big trick, really, is how the coolant's additive package behaves with an all aluminum engine over an extended period of time. Bad reactions can cause build up and block passages or not properly lubricate bits like the coolant impeller, or even cause the thermostat to seize open or closed.

Mazda blocks work well with Zerex Asian Vehicle Coolant. 50/50 mix jugs available at the local parts joint for about $13 a gallon, you need 2 of em. Distilled water for any balance needed. Remember to set heater as hot as it'll go to cycle that core too.

Winter at least 50/50.
Summer a lot of folks run a jug of 50/50, and the rest distilled water- plain water cools the best.

It doesn't really get "dirty"; it becomes acidic over time and will corrode metal parts it contacts. The new 'long life' coolants like FL22 are designed to be more stable for longer.

I didn't read closely through the thread, so I apologize if it has already been said, but FL22 comes premixed and should not be diluted.


Tapadatass

Also, straight distiller water is very corrosive and will quickly eat away at the Aluminum block. Part of the additives in antifreeze are chemicals to reduce the reactivity of water.


Tapadatass

Shouldn't need to do a coolant flush until about 30k miles BTW. Along with that manual flush. Do them both at the same time so its easier to remember for the next service/time.

jracer has an 07 ms6 at 110k+ miles, it's a bit overdue for him. :)

Oh shit! I had tea in my mouth when I read that, bout spit it out.

Just a wee bit overdue is right.

FL22 requires replacement at 100K miles if I remember correctly.


Tapadatass

Noted. Still overdue regardless.

80% Steam Distilled water(70 cents a gallon @ Walmart), a bottle of water wetter and topped off with 50/50

Runs cooler, cools quiker

Just make sure the bottle says no minerals added on it

Yea, Fl-22 is good for about 100k.

I flushed it when i bought my car this january just because i didn't know. I'm at 55k miles.

the fl-22 is premixed and is not cheap. about $30 a gallon!

Based on what TI said, I went with mazda's shit instead of anything else.

Our cars are not good with water wetter. I've read 2 cases here it ended in head gasket issues.

None of my engines last long enough for a flush...:dance:

i tired water wetter and it stains the hell out of the overflow tank and when i replaced a hose it had residue left inside ... never going to use it again, 70%distilled/30% coolant is what im using now ...

WW was designed to be used with little to no coolant, which is why it's used at tracks when antifreeze is not allowed. They make a version for mixing with greater than 33% coolant blends labelled for diesel use.

look it up on redline's site, and references all over, including the bobistheoilguy site

i remember seeing on the bottle that it said you can add it to your existing coolant and being that majority of people will have a 50/50 mix, that shouldn't have been an issue.

Below is just one of many similar bits that are out there.


Running just Redline Water Wetter and H20 summer - Bob Is The Oil Guy

good info, that is exactly what happened with me

Zerex coolant and FL-22 coolant compatibility
 

For whatever its worth, I asked ZEREZ customer support, and they stated:

"...thank you for contacting Zerex Product Support. Valvoline would recommend Valvoline Maxlife Anti-freeze/Coolant, Zerex Asian Vehicle Anti-freeze/Coolant or Zerex Dex-Cool Anti-freeze/Coolant. All are compatible with your 2007 Mazda 3."

Then I asked "Are any of your coolants Type FL-22 compatible?" and the answer was:

"Thank you for contacting Zerex Product Support. Unfortunately, we do not rate our products against other product, rather we rate them based on the OEM specifications of the vehicle which the previously mentioned meet for your 2007 Mazda 3."

"The 2007 Mazda Speed3 & 3 have the same OEM Coolant specification. If FL-22 is the OEM recommendation for this vehicle and Valvoline Maxlife Anti-freeze/Coolant, Zerex Asian Vehicle Anti-freeze/Coolant or Zerex Dex-Cool Anti-freeze/Coolant all meet the OEM specification for your vehicle, then they would have to be compatible."

PRE-MIXED LONG-LIFE "FL22" ENGINE COOLANT Service Bulletin
 

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According to Mazda parts counter (Dan at Ourisman Mazda in MD) any Speed3 produced *after* December 17, 2007 uses FL-22. Before that it *does *not use FL22. AllData contradicts this, and states I need FL-22.

AllData isnt incorrect but there is a caveat. As per the TSB 01-033/07 in the above post, you CAN use FL-22 on older Speed3 but dont mix it with orange coolant because it will turn black.

Dan sent me this Mazda Fluids Chart updated March 16 2019 is as follows:

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Pentonsin PENTOFROST A2 (GREEN) Antifreeze Specially Formulated For Asian Vehicles — CONCENTRATE- HOAT technology but does not have FL-22 according to the rep I spoke to at PENTOSIN but it does cross reference with Mazda 0000-77-501E-02.

http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentofrost_A2.pdf

Pentofrost A3 (BLUE) does have FL-22, according to the same guy at Pentosin but is only available in 50/50 mix but does NOT cross reference with Mazda 0000-77-501E-02 (confusing).

http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentofrost_A3.pdf

I had little trust in the expertise of the guy at Pentosin...he knew nothing about what FL-22 specs included, only that MAZDA had no cut off date for the need to use FL-22 or not. He was wrong about the cut off date.

Pentofrost A1 (RED) is FOR ASIAN vehicles, CONCENTRATED, HOAT technology but isnt listed for MAZDA.

http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentofrost_A1.pdf

An inexpensive FL-22 coolant CONCENTRATE is RAVENOL J4D2092 Coolant Antifreeze - HJC Hybrid Japanese Coolant Protect FL22 Concentrate (5 Liter. $27 on Amazon.
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