E-85 Cure With Fuel Additives

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by littleloogy You want to rig it so there is clamping force on the contacts. Mine still working great! It sure is depressing watching how fast my fuel level drops. Sent from my iPhone 6

I didn't mean where the wire connects up top, but where the little piece that the arm attaches to, the 2 contacts on the back of that piece were almost flat on the back. Just bent them forward some and all was good.

[littleloogy]

That's what I was referring to...


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[g00s3y]

Oh, sorry... lol

[Enki]

Forgot to post this update. My car finally started having issues.

Was going up the local mountain a couple weeks ago, no issues. Pulled off with some friends at the first vantage point and chilled there for a while. Went to restart the car and it was running like shit, but that was due to the MAF wiring issue I've got. Fix that real quick, and start on my way (low rpm cruising) and every now and then it would buck.

This pissed me off, so I beat the fuck out of it and it started behaving properly again...until the trip down (after sitting). Started getting a touch worse, but nothing serious or permanent.

So, after getting home, I pulled the spill valve, checked it for sticky and found none; just some discoloring. Grabbed up my trusty syringe and sucked out as much fuel from the internals cavity as possible, and injected redline in its place. Did this a couple times, and the next start it ran kinda shitty for about half a mile and hasn't had an issue since.

Oh, and I didn't clean anything.

Pics attached.

[mrmonk7663]

Any ideas what was going on?

[Enki]

Probably the beginnings of black death on the internals, if it wasn't my MAF (couldn't tell, happened to fast to log).

[JgamB]

How bout we just say fuck it and stop trying for 100% Eth when we only need 4/8 blends on shitty Cali piss for MBT and call it a day

[Cheapspeed]

Originally Posted by JgamB How bout we just say fuck it and stop trying for 100% Eth when we only need 4/8 blends on shitty Cali piss for MBT and call it a day

Cause swiping the credit card twice is inconvenient.

[PapaSmurf]

My car has been on 100% eth for some time now, I'd say close to a year with no issue, however the past 6 months the car has been garaged and only started onc a week and left idling for 20-25 min without issue.

[Enki]

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say I've got nearly a year on this pump since the last full rebuild. I'm thinking that squirting shit in the spill valve area a couple times once a year is a fair price to pay for full corn.

[flylike2kites]

I've been running different mixes of ethanol for a little over 3 years, and here are my experiences with it:

I had the black gummy crap on my injectors a few times after 500 miles when I filled up with E50 or higher at shady gas stations. My hypothesis is that these gas stations, when they switched over to Ethanol, used secondhand gas/diesel tanks to fill up the ethanol with so they could maximize on the subsidy that the government was handing out for the Ethanol Initiative. I cleaned up my injectors by removing the crud with a toothpick and soaking them overnight in carb cleaner. Shade Tree Gas Stations had the most mediocre blends. Once, I filled up with E85 and got E57. Never went back to that place. EVER.

However, whenever I went to a busy gas station on the side of the interstate, like Speedway or Shell, I didn't have any problems of any kind. Because they were moving the product, my hypothesis was that phase separation was kept to a minimum since it wasn't allowed to sit for very long. Fresh Ethanol kept coming along. Also, the highway ethanol gas stations had the most consistent blends.

Also, whenever I visited a local Thorton's, which was a gas station with a brand new tank, I would receive the sticky clear goo after 1200 miles. My hypothesis for this is that the gas portion was secretly being mixed with really low octane fuel without additives. To combat it, I added some seafoam to the car every 5th fill up, and the clear goo never came back.

When I did my testing, I used test strips in the beginning, but then I switched over to a Zeitronix Ethanol Content Analyzer to make life easy.

For all of you claiming they are mixing such and such with such and such, how are you verifying your percentages? I can tell you, firsthand, that Ethanol pump percentages vary like a woman on her period.



Also, if you're looking for a good oil which works well with high concentrations of ethanol, try Mobil 1 Full Synethic 5w-40 for Turbo Diesel Trucks. The ethanol didn't cause this oil to separate nowhere near as bad as it did when I used Rotella T6 5w-40 or other oils. The 5w40 TDT has a lot of extra detergents\additives to help make sure that the oil remains stable in the presence of ethanol. Also, a quality baffled catch will really help your oil quality!

[Enki]

Originally Posted by flylike2kites For all of you claiming they are mixing such and such with such and such, how are you verifying your percentages? I can tell you, firsthand, that Ethanol pump percentages vary like a woman on her period.

MAFCAL within +-5% on pump gas, then swap over and watch trims. It will show.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by flylike2kites I've been running different mixes of ethanol for a little over 3 years, and here are my experiences with it: I had the black gummy crap on my injectors a few times after 500 miles when I filled up with E50 or higher at shady gas stations. My hypothesis is that these gas stations, when they switched over to Ethanol, used secondhand gas/diesel tanks to fill up the ethanol with so they could maximize on the subsidy that the government was handing out for the Ethanol Initiative. I cleaned up my injectors by removing the crud with a toothpick and soaking them overnight in carb cleaner. Shade Tree Gas Stations had the most mediocre blends. Once, I filled up with E85 and got E57. Never went back to that place. EVER.

We don't have problems with our injectors getting gummed up. It's a fuel pump problem. I get my fuel from a brand new station that did not get dumped into an old diesel tank. I still experienced black and sticky death in my pump.

I don't recognize this platform. Please help us understand where you are coming from.







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[Enki]

^^^ What he said.

Lots of people don't "get" that the disi-mzr platform is unlike any other port injected platform when it comes to tuning and fuel. The same rules don't apply.

[udntknw]

The port in the head reminds me of a Honda. But I'm probably wrong.

[flylike2kites]

I understand that it's not in the same location, but I posted to try to help spark some newer creative ideas and solutions which are specific to this platform. TDI guys have this problem as well, and their solution is to switch tunes and to run on 93 for 3 weeks every 3rd month. Neons also have problems with Ethanol chewing up our fuel level senders as well as clogged fuel pump filter socks with nastiness in them. We don't have a "real" solution for it.

I am from the DIY (If you wanna go fast, build your shit from scratch) First Gen (95-99) Neon platform. We don't have vendors nowhere near in abundance as you guys, so we do a lot of searching from other platforms to find solutions to our problems. I only posted in hopes that the information would trigger a few light bulbs to go off and think of a solution from a different angle.

Again, I also had the black crap from a new tank at a new gas station. My hypothesis was that the owner was being cheap and not adding way below the minimum amount of additives to the 15/20 percent ethanol mix. Half a bottle of Seafoam every 5th fill up cleaned it up. Maybe you guys need some seafoam every 3rd fill up. Your Mileage May Vary.

[flylike2kites]

That port is from an 01 PT Cruiser head with SRT4 Injectors rated at 55lb/577cc's. Only Honda motor I have is a lawn mower.

[Orangatang]

Originally Posted by flylike2kites Half a bottle of Seafoam every 5th fill up cleaned it up. Maybe you guys need some seafoam every 3rd fill up. Your Mileage May Vary.

Are you saying running full E or a percentage to use a half bottle of seafoam in the tank every fifth fill up? (Sorry I've been going in and out of this thread, so I am going to guess full E).

[udntknw]

No. You won't make it through a tank without some sort of additive in the pump.

[Enki]

Yeah, you guys need to actually read the thread. The whole thing.

[flylike2kites]

I stopped on page 13 when I saw the unicorn pissing in a bottle of royal purple.

I lol'd.

I will he quiet. Other platforms Don't apply here.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Orangatang Are you saying running full E or a percentage to use a half bottle of seafoam in the tank every fifth fill up? (Sorry I've been going in and out of this thread, so I am going to guess full E).

@flylike2kites; was commenting on e85 in his Honda lawnmower, I am sure he did not mean everyone. His sea foam suggestion will not help our MZR woes.


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