E-85 Cure With Fuel Additives

[udntknw]

Originally Posted by mazdafreak Any oil results from blackstone?

Just went full E85 today (about 20 miles), no results of anything yet


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[SpeedEngineer]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Not yet. I just sent the sample yesterday, it usually takes 3-5 days...

I am anxiously waiting for it. My question is long term like for us dd guys. I'll probably test it once I get a little more Info and my motorcycle sale and trade in finalized. Seems like @Enki; has already found some useful info as well as you @littleloogy; looking forward to more results. But it seems it doesn't cure stickyness but the jury is still out on preventative correct?

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[Enki]

Correct, though I'm currently running strong. Almost through my first 7.5 gallons, and if all is well tomorrow, I'll top off with full and more of the cleaner.

[littleloogy]

Its also possible that different oils react differently to the cleaner. When I was on Pennzoil Ultra I was seeing pressure drop at WOT. I have not experienced that on Redline. I know there is stickies in there, I hear the pump sticking on cold startups. When I pull my pump we will be able to better determine. Its a waiting game now. I am hoping to pull the pump Thursday night.

Originally Posted by udntknw Just went full E85 today (about 20 miles), no results of anything yet Just tapa it in.

You are very much crazy! good luck to you sir! No results are a good thing.

[SpeedEngineer]

I Should be filling up here today, going to add this stuff to my mix, run that tank, clean my pump and change my oil and go full e from there

[udntknw]

Update: No huge news yet, but I've gone through a quarter tank with no dips in pressure. Reduced squeak on cold start. 102% in my WOT logs... Oops. I only put about 25 miles a day on my car so testing will be slow coming.

Just tapa it in.

[Enki]

Mine has sat all day today (yesterday), but should be able to run it a bit tomorrow (later today)

[Boostin'likeAboss]

just curious if you guys eased into mixing the e85, or just went in balls deep with 50/50 or higher mixes. this looks pretty promising and I want to switch to 100% E85 when the weather warms up and I get my fmic and DP in. going 100% straight from the pump would be super convenient

[Jap11g]

@CouldaHadaDodge; redline powahhhh!

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[SpeedEngineer]

Put redline si-1 in today just to clean the system then will be getting things rolling on my end

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[Jap11g]

So... Redline > seafoam? I'm only running 4 gallons of E85 but want to stay on top of maintenance and keep things as clean as possible. Thoughts?

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[Enki]

[QUOTE=Jap11g;2514707Redline > seafoam?[/QUOTE]

Neither fully confirmed nor denied. You're fine on 4 gal mix anyways; less than E45 don't sweat it.

[Jap11g]

Originally Posted by Enki Neither fully confirmed nor denied. You're fine on 4 gal mix anyways; less than E45 don't sweat it.

Cool, thank ya sir, just trying to stay ahead of any possible maintenance issues. Car has 113k on it lol.

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[Enki]

When was the last time you cleaned the pump? If never, then it would probably be a good idea to run some of that stuff through.

[TiGraySpeed6]

It was cleaned when we installed his HPFP internals, just a few thousand miles back. Even then it was surprisingly clean for a 100K miles + car!

Knock wood he seems to have found a great one- he's the second owner, it was all stock when he got it, and based on everything we can find it lived all highway miles.

[Jap11g]

Originally Posted by TiGraySpeed6 It was cleaned when we installed his HPFP internals, just a few thousand miles back. Even then it was surprisingly clean for a 100K miles + car! Knock wood he seems to have found a great one- he's the second owner, it was all stock when he got it, and based on everything we can find it lived all highway miles.

Hell Ya. I hope it's a gem! Compression test yielded reassuring results :-)

Tapa Tapa Tapa

[littleloogy]

Here is a Log I took on the way home from work. Nothing to Special. This is at 1200 Miles on The RedLine/Si-1 Combo. I do See a few Cells Dropping under 1600. I know there is death in my Pump. Every Morning I can now hear my Pump sticking a bit. Sticks for about 5 minutes, then pressure returns to normal. The additive is sure working great to keep the pump from seizing. Tomorrow after work I will take a 20 minute drive and let the cleaner try to clean the pump good and then do a full Pull. If I still get pressure drop, I will have to open up my pump. datalog16.csv

[Jap11g]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Here is a Log I took on the way home from work. Nothing to Special. This is at 1200 Miles on The RedLine/Si-1 Combo. I do See a few Cells Dropping under 1600. I know there is death in my Pump. Every Morning I can now hear my Pump sticking a bit. Sticks for about 5 minutes, then pressure returns to normal. The additive is sure working great to keep the pump from seizing. Tomorrow after work I will take a 20 minute drive and let the cleaner try to clean the pump good and then do a full Pull. If I still get pressure drop, I will have to open up my pump. Attachment 153052

Are you running full e85?

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[littleloogy]

Yes... Been on it for a while. 1700 miles total on 2 separate oils.

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[udntknw]

Just finished my first 7 gallons with my additive with T6 using a little over 1oz:1gallon. Only issues I have encountered is running out of fueling on a WOT pull. Have had no pressure drop but that's only 90 miles.

Just filled up with 10 gallons to the 8oz bottle of additive. Well see how this goes.
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[littleloogy]

When I originally went full E (Modded spill valve) I had death develop very slowly. I felt invincible until I started loosing pressure. You can tell when it starts. Just listen to your pump. If it starts to sound funny or louder the usual, its time to rebuild the pump.

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[Enki]

Originally Posted by littleloogy If it starts to sound funny or louder the usual, its time to rebuild the pump.

Sadly, this doesn't make it a fix but a deterrent.

In other news, car started perfectly after sitting for two days, and ran perfect all the way to the gas station; and that's when I checked my tire pressure.

Enki's EFR Ordeal...

[SparkySparks]

Just an FYI both Modern Automotive Performance and Rally Sport Direct sell it if you are ordering anything from them, might be worth throwing a bottle in your order.

[Kyle Undefined]

@CHUNKYBOWSER;

[littleloogy]

Well Shit. another 30 miles, did a full pull. one Cell every 5-10 cells still drops out below 1600, which is Bad! It is possible that I have been leaning out the Mixture, since I have been toping of now instead of putting in 1oz to 1 Gallon like I was doing in the past. (having a broken fuel Level sender sucks balls) I am going to richen up the Mixture of The additive, drive around a bit tonight, let the additive try to work its magic, then do one final Pull. If I still have pressure then Woohoo! If not I will Pull the Pump in the morning and start over. Might test more oils, Might Go back to HPFP Mods. Maybe both, who knows. datalog19.csv

[Enki]

Thank you for your persistence; while it very well may not wind up being a permanent fix, it sure is buying way more time (tanks between cleanings) than some of us have had.

[littleloogy]

Well Shit... I don't know what to think anymore. I guess I wont rebuild the pump after all. Pressure looks good again after increasing the levels of in tank Si-1 by 50%. Logs started bad, then got better the more I drove. here is the last log of the night before I parked it. datalog7.csv. I am going to go for a mountain drive in the morning, I will take another log on my way home to compare after burning though this tank.

[jtms6]

So i took the MSF e85 challenge as well (love it) On Penzz Plat oil i changed about 500mi ago

started off with 7.5 gallons of 100% E85 and a full bottle of redline si 1 , watched pressures like a hawk.. wishing i had a dashhawk lol

no issues at all with pressures, idle pressures around 430 and WOT never dropped once below 1600.

second fill up of 7.5 gallons of 100% E and 1oz additive per gallon, thought i saw pressure dips but turns out i am only seeing that downhill @ light throttle the pressure drops, seems normal just never paid this close attention

still no issues at idle or WOT

currently on the 3rd fill up @ 6 gallons of E and 1oz additive per gallon and have about 3 gallons or less in the tank

no issues to speak of yet -

wasnt keeping track of my mileage because our cars will vary so i am only going by gallons consumed.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Enki Thank you for your persistence; while it very well may not wind up being a permanent fix, it sure is buying way more time (tanks between cleanings) than some of us have had.

Do you think that the cells dropping out could be fixed by your spring mod? I am running a stock spring at the moment.

[littleloogy]

Here is a log. Forgot to post
datalog4.csv

[udntknw]

So I'm well beyond my due oil change. My thought is that the oil being broken down and in theory thinner, would allow more oil to mix with the fuel in the pump and try to increase chance of sticky.

Would this be a logical theory, or minimal difference? I'm kind of going for worst case scenario for T6 to induce failure.

Just tapa it in.

[Enki]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Do you think that the cells dropping out could be fixed by your spring mod? I am running a stock spring at the moment.

I don't know; what I do know is that not doing the spring mod properly causes excessive pressure to build, so sometime today or tomorrow I'll be pulling my spill valve to fix that. When I do, I'll check for sticky and we will potentially have that answer.

Originally Posted by udntknw So I'm well beyond my due oil change. My thought is that the oil being broken down and in theory thinner, would allow more oil to mix with the fuel in the pump and try to increase chance of sticky. Would this be a logical theory, or minimal difference? I'm kind of going for worst case scenario for T6 to induce failure. Just tapa it in.

If I recall correctly one of the reasons T6 is the oil everyone uses is because it simply doesn't dilute with fuel; T6 is honey badger oil, and we all know about honey badgers don't we?

[udntknw]

Originally Posted by Enki If I recall correctly one of the reasons T6 is the oil everyone uses is because it simply doesn't dilute with fuel; T6 is honey badger oil, and we all know about honey badgers don't we?

Agreed. But it was also the worst offender to sticky spill valves and black death wasn't it?



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[littleloogy]

That's what the report says. However, I believe someone is testing the oil with the additive now. If not someone do it. I am still waiting for Blackstone's lab report to see how bad this shit is for my oil. People on different oils should do the same.

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[udntknw]

I'm on T6 testing the full E85 with the different additive. So far so good.

Just tapa it in.

[Jap11g]

I'm curious... What are the benefits of running redline on a primarily e93 setup? I only have about 4 gallons of e85...but I work at a parts store so picking up a bottle of redline every now and then to keep things clean would be hellaeasy

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[littleloogy]

Pulled my SV today. Its not magic, its just sticky goo!

Took some fuel out of my pump and a tooth brush, cleaned the sticky right off.

I inserted Enki's button valve spring mod. Pressure was still dropping every couple cells. I am glad to see that even when the spill valve is caked with sticky shit, it still preforms like it should when soaked in the fuel.



I just played with my tune, changed my pressure targets, Leaned my AFR a bit. Did a MAF CAL. I'll See if anything changes.

[mazdafreak]

Thats over a 1000 miles on full E before cleaning shit...Thats awesome. I hated it when i would be out and like 50 miles driving my spill valve would stick and lose pressure. Now even going 500 miles without cleaning id be happy since i dont daily my car at all.


Lets just see what the oil test says tho lol

[Enki]

Even thought it now looks like this isn't a permanent "fix," it certainly improves things to a huge degree. Bravo, sir; bravo.

[crutch77]

I've been contemplating taking the plunge to add another data point, but I'm a bit concerned about this: I've been running a 1:2 ratio of E85:93 for a couple weeks now, and when I start my car in the morning there's a faint 'squeak' that lasts a fraction of a second and then doesn't repeat. Sound like a sticky HPFP? On that mix I wouldn't have expected any issues. I certainly haven't had any pressure issues.

I have 83K on my car, 5K after the rebuild. Shortly after the rebuild I ran 3 cans of seafoam on three consecutive tanks of gas. This past weekend I put a bottle of SI-1 through (I propose we just refer to this as 'the substance' going forward). If the squeak goes away I'm going to try 50-50 for a week, and then go whole hog. I use T6, btw.