E85 Discussion - HPFP lubrication and Flow issues

[Dano]

haha

luckily my E85 station still sells Diesel and there was a brand new huge hole dug in the ground for another tank installation for the 2 E pumps.

Shell FTW

[ABolewski]

Ok so do you think that there would be any real threat of having roughly .001% (based on fictious scientific research I conducted for this post) diesel fuel mixed into the Ethonol? Or what are you guys worried about?
I'm just trying to wrap my noob brain around as much of this as I can.
Thanks for spelling it out though.

[brandonf]

Holy crap, I remember this threading only having like 7 pages.. got some reading to do.. but here's a couple pics of my spill valve after ~16 months e85 (mostly 50/50, but a few times a bit more, since my fuel level sensor died long ago)..

EDIT: I ran royal purple 5w30 for the first ~15k miles, and swapped to penzoil platinum till now (~33k miles).

[wolly6973]

Bumping this thread for an interesting finding from the CS blog. CP-E sleeves have an extra notch machined in them to supposedly help with black death. Anyone running corn on a CP-E pump?

http://www.corksport.com/blog/fuel-p...arison-part-2/

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[super_pablo_]

Originally Posted by wolly6973 Bumping this thread for an interesting finding from the CS blog. CP-E sleeves have an extra notch machined in them to supposedly help with black death. Anyone running corn on a CP-E pump? CorkSport Mazda Performance ? Blog » Fuel Pump Comparison Part 2 Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

cp-e pump running 30% corn here. things are fine and dandy so far.

[phate]

Originally Posted by wolly6973 Bumping this thread for an interesting finding from the CS blog. CP-E sleeves have an extra notch machined in them to supposedly help with black death. Anyone running corn on a CP-E pump? CorkSport Mazda Performance ? Blog » Fuel Pump Comparison Part 2 Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

mazdafreak has the cpe pump and had issues similar to the other pumps

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by super_pablo_ cp-e pump running 30% corn here. things are fine and dandy so far.

+1 CP-E pump with 20-25% Maize for almost 2 years without a hiccup.

I think it all depends on the blend. I really don't see the risk or reduction in IDC of running more than 25% being worth the gains IMHO.

[El_Diablo]

It seems as though it also would depend on the oil used.

[super_pablo_]

been using penzoil platinum 5w 30 despite all the haters. Tracking this bitch and bringing the coolant temps to 220+ on a regular basis, again, no issues so far (knock on wood)

[phate]

Originally Posted by super_pablo_ been using penzoil platinum 5w 30 despite all the haters. Tracking this bitch and bringing the coolant temps to 220+ on a regular basis, again, no issues so far (knock on wood)

Unless you are running >50% E85, I wouldn't expect problems

[djuosnteisn]

I run a cpe pump with e50 (8 gal e85, which usually measures around e70 to 4 gal pump). I use rotella t6, but haven't had any black death issues thus far.

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn I run a cpe pump with e50 (8 gal e85, which usually measures around e70 to 4 gal pump). I use rotella t6, but haven't had any black death issues thus far.

How long? Lol I asked what pump at first and feel dumb cause I over looked it.


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[2.0t03speed]

Originally Posted by GODspeed7 How long and with what pump? Sent from my iBro 5 using tapatalk, Bro!

He said in his post a cp-e pump....

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[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by 2.0t03speed He said in his post a cp-e pump.... Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Yeah I know I'm an idiot!


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[metalgear386]

Hello everyone! First post ever! I've been reading this thread for a while (page 1-20 where he finally got to the dyno and made retarded high torque) and I have a crazy question to ask..
(im not trolling just throwing an idea out and by you guys talking about it, we might learn maybe)

Could you train the stock ecu, over the course of like 10 fillups to adapt to e-85? Like adding 10% e85 one fill up then 20% the next and so on until you were in a higher concentration? Has this been done? Is this just crazy witchcraft? What would be your reasoning for saying "hell no you cant do that crazy"?

Thank you in advance, and sorry if this is just 100% illogical.

[Enki]

Max trimming is 20% for both long and short term. You'll wind up throwing a code, and during WOT pulls there's NO trimming.

On full E, you'd be running VERY lean.

If you try to short change the mod path, you're going to blow your motor, guaranteed.

[metalgear386]

Originally Posted by Enki Max trimming is 20% for both long and short term. You'll wind up throwing a code, and during WOT pulls there's NO trimming. On full E, you'd be running VERY lean. If you try to short change the mod path, you're going to blow your motor, guaranteed.

Thanks for the info about the max trim levels! I plan on following Phate somewhat with his build, but the black tar of hell has me scared to touche-85. I should probably throw this out there (and update my sig eventually) I have a 2013 MS3 with literally 300 miles on it. My upgrade path will be probably the most skiddish ever as the car is nearly brand new. I dont plan on doing anything until 5000 miles so it is completly broke in, in every way. My upgrade path so far, from the gross amount of reading will be like this

1. HPFP and Cobb AP
2. Downpipe
3. Intake
and thats probably it for a good while. I might get my buddy to custom weld me an exhaust but beyond those first 3 steps that will probably be it. I will admit that I havnt read all 60 pages of this thread (my wife is like wtf you just stare at the comp all day) but did we ever get a 100% answer on the black tar of death?

[Constantin]

Originally Posted by metalgear386 Thanks for the info about the max trim levels! I plan on following Phate somewhat with his build, but the black tar of hell has me scared to touche-85. I should probably throw this out there (and update my sig eventually) I have a 2013 MS3 with literally 300 miles on it. My upgrade path will be probably the most skiddish ever as the car is nearly brand new. I dont plan on doing anything until 5000 miles so it is completly broke in, in every way. My upgrade path so far, from the gross amount of reading will be like this 1. HPFP and Cobb AP 2. Downpipe 3. Intake and thats probably it for a good while. I might get my buddy to custom weld me an exhaust but beyond those first 3 steps that will probably be it. I will admit that I havnt read all 60 pages of this thread (my wife is like wtf you just stare at the comp all day) but did we ever get a 100% answer on the black tar of death?

Let's not derail the thread with future mod list Please make a new thread in welcome section. FYI do EGR delete one of the first things, if you can.

[El_Diablo]

Your engine is broken in within the first 40-60 miles.

EGR delete is not needed. Rather an OCC should be a mandatory. I'll stop right there to keep the derailment to a minimum.

Either way, make yourself a new member thread brownie.


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[navyspeed3]

1 Year Bump,

Ap on the way and they sell E85 at my new Pots. Got some reading to do first.

[2012MS3MJB]

I'm going from almost no bolt ons to full bolt ons here shortly. Just waiting on the FMIC from Corksport to finish up my list of parts to install. I'm taking the 2012 MS3 to COBB SoCal for a tune in mid March, here in about two weeks. I am having them tune me for 91 and a 30%/70% (E85/91) mixture. I'm using CS internals for now unless I see any issues. I will make copies of my dyno sheets and post them within a couple days after the tune as well as data logs from my Stage 1 setup, data logs for 91 at Stage 3, and the 30/70 mixture. Stay tuned.


Edit: JK about Cobb. I heard the tunes that are done are child's play in terms of power. Swapped over to Purple Drank tuning. Been in contact with a couple of their guys and they have already had me running logs to make sure everything was good. A lot of knowledge there. I just have to install this tbe and fmic and a couple other things and all will be well. I'll keep you all posted.

Edit: Install starts in two days. .

Going from this:

CS SRI+TIH
CS shiftplate/weight
Cobb AP v2
OTS tune CS SRI+TIH 91 V210

To this:
CS SRI+TIH
CS shiftplate/weight
Cobb AP v3
CS TBE
CS FMIC
CS HPFP internals
CS RMM
CS EBCS
PD Tune for 91 and E85/91 (30/70 mix) for now.