Full E85 Redline SI-1 Cure steps/results.

[SarcasticOne]

Originally Posted by cletusb I didn't think Mobil 1 was that bad lol. I was looking at dexos1 Brands | GM for the global oils... but found most of them were not available here in Australia. Only ones that I found that I could get from the local auto parts store and I think are in the USA with similar availability were: - Mobil 1 - Valvoline SynPower (Seems to be many different versions, DX-1 is the dexos version) - Shell Helix Ultra (but couldn't see that it was dexos approved locally) - Castrol EDGE (again couldn't see that it was dexos approved locally) I think the main point is to see if the RP is special or other oils are just as good so happy for you to try whatever and I will also do some testing one my car has been repaired. I have another option that seems to be more an Aussie brand that the Holden (GM) guys use for their flex fuel cars ENVIRO+ GF-5 5W-30 (Full Synthetic)

Nulon has a 5-30 that's approved...
I've been meaning to do the swap, but it's below freezing at night where I am, and don't have the urge to have car troubles right now...

[cletusb]

I've never trusted Nulon for some reason, prob because I asked them what I should run for E85 and 98 for 500 crank hp Mazdaspeed/MPS and they said I should run their Full Synthetic 15W-50 Street and Track Engine Oil

Nulon is only in Aus so didn't think it would be much good for everyone else if it was OK to use

[MSP6]

Update for the hell of it...


Somewhere near 15k miles, stopped paying attention. I know it wasn't a unicorn E85 pump/blend either as I have run a full tank from a different NY station, a full tank from a station in Maryland, and now 3 full tanks from the station here in VA.

Redline s-1 holding strong, zero startup issues, zero FP issues. /thread.

[cletusb]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Update for the hell of it... Somewhere near 15k miles, stopped paying attention. I know it wasn't a unicorn E85 pump/blend either as I have run a full tank from a different NY station, a full tank from a station in Maryland, and now 3 full tanks from the station here in VA. Redline s-1 holding strong, zero startup issues, zero FP issues. /thread.

Thanks for the update and sorry for being blind but are you using the S1 in tank or just when rebuilding the pump?

Mainly is it just the rebuild or have you had to "top up" the S1 at all

[darth_speeder]

i believe it's just needed for the fuel pump rebuild

[MSP6]

Rebuilt the pump with S-1. After thousands thousands of miles did it again just to verify and check. Been thousands and thousands of miles since that "rebuild".

Never a drop in tank. Still have half the original bottle of S-1 that I bought last year.

[Enki]

If/when it does start to act up again, just pull the spill valve and flush it out with S1 using a syringe.

[ALPINEST4RS]

Would you guys suggest running a bottle of that redline on a full tank also?? It does really well on the HPFP. What about the rest of the system??

I run a eth drier in my tank once a oil change. I've put about 20k on my car with a 4/8 mix. I would love to do a full E85 tune.

I have yet pulled my internals to see whats going on. Data logging shows good pressure though.

[Enki]

No. Don't put any in the tank as it won't help.
It's fairly well proven that nothing in the tank will help at all.

[SarcasticOne]

Originally Posted by Enki If/when it does start to act up again, just pull the spill valve and flush it out with S1 using a syringe.

Possibly a silly thought...

If that's all it takes to get it working again, could that be enough to get it working the first time?

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Enki No. Don't put any in the tank as it won't help. It's fairly well proven that nothing in the tank will help at all.

The beginning of my additive thread begs to differ. I was able to do thousands of miles when adding 1oz per gallon. But the cost to benefit ratio was way to high, which lead me to injecting directly into the SV, which was a pain in the ass, which lead me to developing the add into pump method. I know the thread is long and hard to follow, but the info is in there.


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[Enki]

Never helped me; nothing in the tank did. Not even when I was running my car on 40% lighter fluid (which is the best thing I've found for cleaning the pump).

[littleloogy]

Did you try si1 in the tank? That was the only one that worked for me. All others


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[Enki]

A full bottle with probably 2-3 gallons left in the tank. No bueno.

[chriswillrise]

This is awesome ill have to give it a try now that they put an e85 pump 4 miles from my house. Time to get on some corn!

[SPEEDO90]

Originally Posted by chriswillrise This is awesome ill have to give it a try now that they put an e85 pump 4 miles from my house. Time to get on some corn!

OK so I'm going on this corn stuff tonight! My tuner will be sending me a map I did all the steps on this post! Excellent thread btw... I'll keep everyone posted

[Dano]

you guys have me thinking of going full E over here myself. Running CPE pump.

[MSP6]

Doooooo it.

[g00s3y]

It's fun. I may be going back full e possibly. Just saw it was $1.84 when I went to mix yesterday. With prices still dropping, it's getting temping.

15mpg is just hard to swallow, among other things that are hard to swallow... Or so I hear, I wouldn't know...

[cletusb]

Originally Posted by Dano you guys have me thinking of going full E over here myself. Running CPE pump.

Post up if you do. I have the same pump and want to go full e but can't afford the new internals at the moment

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by cletusb Post up if you do. I have the same pump and want to go full e but can't afford the new internals at the moment

See no reason why si-1 wouldn't work with the CP-E pump also. Worst that happens is you get some sticky death, have to pull the pump and clean it. Or just inject some into the spill valve.

[MSP6]

Unintentional testing in progress:

Work schedule went whacky for a few days and I got fed up and filled up with 93. (Corn is 16 miles from me)

Ran a half tank and dialed in my 93 tune.

Filled back up with E and ran a full tank of 50/50 (or close enough)

Now back to full corn today so we'll see how the Redline and RP like switching back and forth.

[Dano]

my other main issue, against going full E, is my lack of fueling headroom. I don't relish having ~ 30% of my fueling coming from a meth nozzle and I am not investing in a 5th port. My meth failsafe bit the dust back in the spring and I have not implemented a replacement solution as of yet. No other WMI failsafes will work with 100% meth so I am looking at the AEM AFR failsafe as a replacement solution BUT I can't mount it in the aux bung on my DP because my CPE EM blocks one of them.

TL;DR its like 15 steps to get there for god's sake.

[Enki]

My meth failed at the track; 24 psi and 14 AFR. No knock, just a loss of power.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Unintentional testing in progress: Work schedule went whacky for a few days and I got fed up and filled up with 93. (Corn is 16 miles from me) Ran a half tank and dialed in my 93 tune. Filled back up with E and ran a full tank of 50/50 (or close enough) Now back to full corn today so we'll see how the Redline and RP like switching back and forth.

Been there, done that. I've went between e85-50/50-93-e33-93-e85-50/50-93 and now i'm running an e25 mix. Haven't had one problem.

[MaSTA.ChO]

Ok so I been reading about e85 for some hours and this is my very first comment/post here in the forum ever since I joined. I recently became passionate about going full e85 ever since I watched the documentary film "Pump" on the Netflix and pretty much decided to give my big middle finger to the corrupted government and the oil companies. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend ya'll to watch it. You'll be surprised to see what you can learn. Anyways, I'm trying to understand and write down the steps and necessary parts to go full e85 and here is what I have so far.

1) AP, 2) HPFP, 3) Change my oil to RP dexos spec. 4) Clean out HPFP and the spill valve with S-1 fuel system treatment. 4) Get a tune or self-tune(although I know nothing about it but I'm willing to read and learn. Please guide me to right direction).

Is there anything else that I should add to the list? I thank you in advance and I hope to get positive feedback.

[Lex]

Hard to believe that the SI-1 protects the HPFP in the long run. It is a great cleaner but with the amount of fuel running through it, I don't see it "sticking around." What is more likely happening is that oil manufacturers (along with fuel manufacturers) are creating products that are more compatible with each other as the use of ethanol is common and the tight tolerances of DI engines are used by all OEMs.

This is supported by the Dexos1 specification (http://www.hankgraffbgc.com/Dexos1.pdf) - improved oxidation and reduced volatility.

Is there any data on foregoing the SI-1 cleaning, changing to a Dexos1 oil and then after a couple of oil changes switching to full E85?

Cleaning the HPFP of old oil deposits is not a bad idea - but some are reluctant to pull the pump and the risk of flexing the hard line causing a possible leak down the road is always there.

[Enki]

Yes, if memory serves. Pretty sure I've posted in my EFR thread about this too.

I was running RP for a while, and cut over and had issues after a short period of time. Cleaned out with Redline, primed with Redline, and it took a very, very long time to have the occasional intermittent issue again (which was fixed by simply re-priming with redline).

[MSP6]

Originally Posted by Lex Hard to believe that the SI-1 protects the HPFP in the long run. It is a great cleaner but with the amount of fuel running through it, I don't see it "sticking around." What is more likely happening is that oil manufacturers (along with fuel manufacturers) are creating products that are more compatible with each other as the use of ethanol is common and the tight tolerances of DI engines are used by all OEMs. This is supported by the Dexos1 specification (http://www.hankgraffbgc.com/Dexos1.pdf) - improved oxidation and reduced volatility. Is there any data on foregoing the SI-1 cleaning, changing to a Dexos1 oil and then after a couple of oil changes switching to full E85? Cleaning the HPFP of old oil deposits is not a bad idea - but some are reluctant to pull the pump and the risk of flexing the hard line causing a possible leak down the road is always there.

I've been wondering about this myself. Going on a year since my original S-1 "treatment". Did it again a few K miles later buts been thousands more since I recleaned. Was too content with full corn to give it much more than a thought thought, but I wondered how much , if any, S-1 is still actually in my pump.

[littleloogy]

@Lex; if someone wants to send me their extra Autotech internals I would be more then willing to test that. I have been skeptical about the results of this treatment also, almost like it was too good to be true. Only one way to find out.


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[Enki]

If you look at the pump design, there shouldn't be a whole lot of fuel actually moving through the internals area of the pump; there's only a vent in the collar so that fluids behind the piston can move to next to it, and would then go right back to where it was on stroke.

Would it dilute over time? Certainly.

Is it possible that you only need a very small amount of redline present to prevent issues? Plausible.

I could probably pull a sample from my pump and see how clear/pink it is compared to regular corn/meth.

[SPEEDO90]

HEY GUYS! So its been one month and 18 days now on 100% E85 tune using this S1 and RP oil method and I have to say.... Not bad I have not noticed any issues at all, car is running strong and healthy! I haven't opened my spill valve yet to see if I need to inject S1 for gunk, but I don't see why I would have to so soon.... Its only been a month and few days so ill give it till my next oil change to open it up and check it out. I will post when that time comes around! Has anyone else tried this? I would like to hear your stories running full E85!

[littleloogy]

@SPEEDO90; that's great man! Hope you have as much success as everyone else. Keep us posted!


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[Nitr0EngiE]

On a separate subject if I may chime in here, I have been having really bad oil consumption and I think its the oil not draining out of my turbo fast enough and I wonder if it is because I am running T6 which is 15-40, maybe If i switch back to an oil that is 5w-30 it will drain better and ill stop hemorrhaging oil and burning it in my exhaust.

I come to this conclusion while reading all of this about oil, and I run T6 because the forums said to .... but I am wondering now if that is why my couch is getting fucked so badly, I put in a quart of oil like every other gas tank.

[cletusb]

Have you been using the wrong T6? I can't get it where I live but from reading the forums I'm pretty sure everyone runs the 5w40 version. Don't know anyone running a 15w oil

Amazon.com: Shell Rotella (550019921) T6 5W-40 Full Synthetic, Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil (CJ-4) - 1 Gallon: Automotive

Amazon.com: Shell Rotella (550019921) T6 5W-40 Full Synthetic, Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil (CJ-4) - 1 Gallon: Automotive
Amazon.com: Shell Rotella (550019921) T6 5W-40 Full Synthetic, Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil (CJ-4) - 1 Gallon: Automotive

[Nitr0EngiE]

I hope if i switch to 5w- 30 my issues will go away
shit might already be ruined though.

I dont know how I ended up with 15-40

EDIT: wait wtf ..... I look at my amazon history and all I have been buying is 5w-40 why the fuck do I have 15w-40, i don't have 15 in my purchase history.

[panzerschrekk]

Isn't it called SI-1? I only found Redline SI-1 (60103), is that the correct one or are they different?

Regarding the Oil: Would Mobil 1 ESP 0W-40 (151496) be good too? Someone tried that?

It even has dexos2 approval (instead of dexos1). Royal Purple isn't an option around here (Europe).

[Dano]

yes it is si-1 not s-1. As far as oil, I belive only RP has been tested successful so far but that doesn't stop you from trying some other dexos spec oil.

[Enki]

Shell Helix Ultra is the oil I wanted to test originally, as it's also Dexos spec.

[panzerschrekk]

I'm first gonna test one of the LiquiMoly additives: 3720, 5108 or 5110 and give you guys feedback.

Would be a more viable option here, i had to order the SI-1 from the US and A, and it took almost two weeks (and it cost me 30$ )