Kings of Corn (HPFP + OIL)

[MSP6]

Miniature onboard, frion driven HPFP cooler?? Seems all of this testing is being done with synthetic? Another option (don't shoot me) might be trying a non-synthetic or blend just for testing purposes? IIRC they have less of a tendency to creep past seals?

Though I can't see non-synthetics being more heat resistant so that might be a dumb idea lol.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Enki The best way for me to perform the tests on other oils is probably by having people ship me samples for testing (I don't actually need a whole lot; buying a full quart for this testing would be *extremely* wasteful).

Just a suggestion, but people could request a free oil analysis kit from blackstone labs and use the container they supply to ship you a small amount of their oil. You can request the kits HERE. I'm only running E20 right now, but I'm curious to see the results of this. Black death is the main reason I'm sticking with a low concentration of E.

[helmetface]

Originally Posted by boost_addict Just a suggestion, but people could request a free oil analysis kit from blackstone labs and use the container they supply to ship you a small amount of their oil. You can request the kits HERE. I'm only running E20 right now, but I'm curious to see the results of this. Black death is the main reason I'm sticking with a low concentration of E.

It's only free to get the packaging, I believe it's $25 to send-in and get results.

I can't remember the company name, but apparently there is another company who provides a similar service that yields more in-depth results.

[Enki]

Originally Posted by helmetfail It's only free to get the packaging, I believe it's $25 to send-in and get results.

*cough*

Originally Posted by boost_addict Just a suggestion, but people could request a free oil analysis kit from blackstone labs and use the container they supply to ship you a small amount of their oil.

[helmetface]

Originally Posted by Enki *cough*

Lol thanks















I rescind.

[metallemur]

I've been on 100% E85 for about 3 months/5K miles. I run T6 and have yet to have any fuel issues. The majority of the miles have been highway and there was also a track day on a road course in there.

The car currently has close to 25k miles total. I have Autotech internals and have been using Rotella T6 since the first oil change. Not that it matters, but I have never run the tank to empty (besides the first fill); I fill up at half tank. Also SWAS is still connected and likes to sometimes fuck with my AFRs.

[MSP6]

At work so not too much time to search, so if this has been posted on here just delete it

Best Motor Oil for Engines Using E85 Fuel

Specs on 6.7 powerstroke turbodiesel show compression at 16.5:1 or something ridiculous at that. I know that's diesel and not E85 but its something to consider. If that turbodiesel oil is made to withstand that much higher of a standard it may be worth checking out. Also found somewhere, can find the site again if necessary, that older alcohol burning cars had to use extremely high weighted oils in order to keep the alcohol from ripping apart the polymers in the oil. 10-50W may also be something to look at?

[Mchart]

I've been using the M1 5w-40 TDT myself for quite some time now. Has a little more zinc in it as well which is always a good thing for the valvetrain.

[Enki]

Originally Posted by Mchart I've been using the M1 5w-40 TDT myself for quite some time now. Has a little more zinc in it as well which is always a good thing for the valvetrain.

Are you using > 50% e85?

[Mchart]

No, was just commenting on the oil for normal operation.

[Constantin]

Anybody considered using MOTUL oil? I am looking for a good supplier for a regular oil changes. @Enki if you tell me what grade do you need for testing, I'll try to get it for you!

[phate]

Never mind.

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by phate Never mind.

Hahah you aren't fooling me I know what you wrote here before you deleted it! Phates anger came out!

[phate]

Originally Posted by GODspeed7 Hahah you aren't fooling me I know what you wrote here before you deleted it! Phates anger came out!

LOL. Oh well.

Point of my tirade (for everyone else) was that we're looking at >50% E85, types of oil used, and whether or not you have encountered black death/sticky.

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by phate LOL. Oh well. Point of my tirade (for everyone else) was that we're looking at >50% E85, types of oil used, and whether or not you have encountered black death/sticky.

I picked up what you were throwing down. I was going to make a troll comment but figured you were having just as bad a morning as me. Lol

[Enki]

SMH. Groan and move on.

If you can't be bothered to read the thread, don't post. This thread is for anecdotal evidence/experience ONLY.

Well, except for posts like where Constantin offered to send another type of oil for testing.

Speaking of which...
@Constantin:
Either 10w-30 or 5w-40. Please don't buy an entire quart just for testing though; that's more than a little wasteful.

[Mchart]

I read the thread. That was why I posted. I was commenting that the M1 5w-40 TDT is at least used by one person on here. Never mind the fact that I was going to send some for the test which I suggested we pool together. Just because i'm not running E85 right now doesn't mean i'm not interested in the results.

[MSP6]

Yeah I got kind of caught up in the brainstorming myself, forgot what the original post was for. As I'm not on 100%, last post here. My bad.

[Eric28243]

@Enki cuz I lubs j00. Currently gone thru 7 or 8 tanks of as close to e63.75 as possible. Dollar store oil, stock spill valve. Never cleaned the pump out, but I am occasionally way out of town, so I have to fill up w/gas due to availabilty. I'd say I go around 2 tanks then one of 93.

[Enki]

Any idea what brand/weight?

[Eric28243]

methinks 5/30 M1 is what precision tune uses, but I'm not positive on that one. I'd change it myself if I didn't get fined by my apt complex everytime I try. I will correct the post when I go there tomorrow morning and find out.

[slw97]

Any new info? I am trying to save up some cash for FP internals and to have phate get me a e85 tune started. My car has like 108k on it so it will be interesting to see how a higher milage speed 3 does with the black goo.. I am gonna run 2 or 3 cans of seafoam through the tank before I make the switch. After reading this thread as well as phate's 67pg long e85 thread from a year or so ago I am excited to jump in the pool and start helping with the movment to figure iut the black goo. I will probably change my oil from penz platinum to valvoline Vr-1 before I make the switch to e85, that is unless you all want me to stick with penz??

[Enki]

Originally Posted by slw97 Any new info? I am trying to save up some cash for FP internals and to have phate get me a e85 tune started. My car has like 108k on it so it will be interesting to see how a higher milage speed 3 does with the black goo.. I am gonna run 2 or 3 cans of seafoam through the tank before I make the switch. After reading this thread as well as phate's 67pg long e85 thread from a year or so ago I am excited to jump in the pool and start helping with the movment to figure iut the black goo. I will probably change my oil from penz platinum to valvoline Vr-1 before I make the switch to e85, that is unless you all want me to stick with penz??

Why post the same exact thing twice in two different threads?

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...ml#post1585229

[slw97]

Looked like this thread was moving forward as the other thread seemed to have older post dates. ( I posted there first) then read this thread and "moved" my post. Sorry if I confused anyone.

[Haltech]

I have a few ideas here and perhaps this will be a good area to focus on.

Oil, let's just omit this for now and concentrate on the internals for a second. I am one of the fuel pump internal godfathers and did a lot of learning in September of 2007.

Auto tech and KMD have a variety of coatings they have experimented with. Mainly KMD because they caught a lot of shit for their internals eating through cam followers more so than anyone else due to having the most market share and being this least expensive at the time.

Ptp John tried at least 6 coatings during his internal quest. I'll probably release his posts from lockdown that contain that data if they still exist.

What I really wanted to point out here was cp-e. their pumps are assembled by APR and of course, the Cpe tax is passed onto you. What makes APR most unique here are their pumps. If you pay close attention to the assorted internals on the market... What are they missing? Two seals and a fastener. I would seriously begin looking at E85 users who have these unique pumps and see exactly if theirs are affected.

In my many conversation with APR in 2007, it was expressed how important the upgraded ring seals were. I figured they just wanted my money because they require that they assemble and test the pump, the consumer would not be allowed to purchase these parts alone. Perhaps APR will sell all 3 ring sealing components to us.

I recalled this conversation while in a deep sleep a few weeks after talking to James (Enki) in shout. When I ran across this thread tonight, it reminded me of it. At any rate, the guy at APR told me that the seals came into play for "alternative" fuel. He had made mention that their seal is compatible with gasoline, diesel and ethanol...

Now, im not saying this is the answer, but i think with the seals being what separates an APR assembled pump from how we just upgrade the rod, plunger and spring, it could be the link. If not, i just wasted 15 minutes typing it.

[Enki]

Exactly why I badgered JBR to have some scrapers cut; unfortunately, shit went south for me pretty quick and I wasn't able to do much.

It wouldn't be TOO hard to have a bunch of retaining nuts milled to accept a tight little teflon washer or something I'm sure.

[Constantin]

I am still waiting for the oil...Supplier "ran out"...anyhow I'll get it soon.

Speaking about the seals. @Enki may be we should talk to ATP and see if they can help us?

[mrQQ]

I'm sorry if this has been answered before but.. is it possible to run a mix of E85 without damaging your pump/valve and without need to clean it up periodically?

[Dizzy Turbo]

Haltech, are you saying the cpe pumps would be better suited for 100% eth?

[phate]

Originally Posted by mrQQ I'm sorry if this has been answered before but.. is it possible to run a mix of E85 without damaging your pump/valve and without need to clean it up periodically?

Yes, fill with mix, tune, make rape.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Dizzy Turbo Haltech, are you saying the cpe pumps would be better suited for 100% eth?

Welp, if you can find someone to test this theory... and it comes back clean, then the missing link to our black death is contributed to having new seals made up. I'm sure PTP John will catch wind of it, have seals made and claim he solved the problem, as usual. Charge you $100 in the process too. So, this is something we need to handle ourselves.

I think the seals are the contributing factor due to heat. We also need to see if Volkswagen offers a seal replacement kit for their pumps... They use the same ones we do... but, since they do not suffer the amount of internal failure/black death as mazdas do, i again point back to the seals that reside in assembly as the culprit for this entire mess.

[Dizzy Turbo]

I literally just installed my cpe pump, only problem being my dd can't be out of commission if that's not the fix. I'm gonna try and get a dd and then I can test this pump out, worst case scenario I haz lifetime warranty haha

[dot584]

I thought someone already had a cpe pump and they had the same issues as everyone else, not sure where I read that though. Ill check and edit this post later if I find it.

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[mazdafreak]

I have the cpe pump and running 100% E....I haven't had as many problems as most ppl have running just kmd or autotechs internals.....My spill valve will take a shit....But my pump is usually always clean, never seen black death with vr1.... I will start testing vr1 oil better, and see how long it takes to drop fp after the 21st, since ill be running the car at the drag strip.

[Dizzy Turbo]

Well looks like you got this covered then haha

[Constantin]

The question now is what users of internal can do...Is there a solution for us?

[dot584]

Originally Posted by Constantin The question now is what users of internal can do...Is there a solution for us?

We are gunna have to wait until research has been done on the seals Haltech was talking about. If they don't prove to be the answer then cp-e might be making some money on pumps.

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[Haltech]

We can always get pump seals made up. Its just finding the right materials to manf them with.

[silvapain]

I'm already testing a Buna-N quad ring and an auxiliary o-ring in my HPFP. Testing has been delayed due to ZZB though.


Tapadatass

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by silvapain I'm already testing a Buna-N quad ring and an auxiliary o-ring in my HPFP. Testing has been delayed due to ZZB though. Tapadatass

Can you share in this thread what the seals of compromised of and their design?