Had enough of the ST manifold teasing?

[Atomic41]

@Farhan@DM;

When we all have news if this part will be compatible with TMIC ???

[Cdnspeed6]

Originally Posted by Atomic41 @Farhan@DM; When we all have news if this part will be compatible with TMIC ???

I highly doubt it will be, there is no where for the the TMIC to mount to the Manifold.

[5doorsoffury]

Originally Posted by Cdnspeed6 I highly doubt it will be, there is no where for the the TMIC to mount to the Manifold.

It will more likely be something custom like meth pump/tank mounting. Once people get the first few batches and fux with them something will emerge. Im getting mine today.

[mxlplx71]

anyone could make this work, fmic or tmic, if you cant figure that out go buy a Hyundai veloster

[broda]

Yeah, it's just a plastic, $60 manifold so there's no reason you should feel opposed to messing with it. You could tap into the runners, use a long stud and then add brackets. Done.

[5doorsoffury]

Originally Posted by broda Yeah, it's just a plastic, $60 manifold so there's no reason you should feel opposed to messing with it. You could tap into the runners, use a long stud and then add brackets. Done.

Well..... it seems the tmic cold pipe rests on the manifold so it's going to be much more complex then i originally thought as usawal. I removed my tmic shroud for clearance while testing.



Maby with a modified CS scoop it may work. Piping will fit but the cold pipe imo is the major issue.

[nindoja]

@5doorsoffury; is that with the spacer or without? You may gain/lose some clearance with that spacer. Additionally, which part of the cold pipe is hitting?

[5doorsoffury]

Originally Posted by nindoja @5doorsoffury; is that with the spacer or without? You may gain/lose some clearance with that spacer. Additionally, which part of the cold pipe is hitting?

That is with the spacer. It is hitting the rear of the cold pipe as it starts to bend. It makes contact with the rib of runner 4 . I may be able to get more clearance by sliding the intercooler forward. I am going to revisit it after work today.

[5doorsoffury]

Progress!


I was able to shift it forward. Not gunna lie i was looking hard at fmic's but it is not time for that yet. Ill keep screwing with it until this weekend where i will be going out of town for 3 weeks with the ms3. So i will put it back to stock mani for the trip. After that it will be permenent mod time.

New post needed for rear directly in front of the old one. Front pass bracket needs realignment/shapeing. Driver side st engine cover ball needs to be chopped off. Turbo elbow needs to be spun and trimmed. I still need a dr side bracket.

Edit: i have a 3.25" tmic so it is harder for me to get the room then someone with a thinner intercooler.

[KiwiFlavor]

Damn looks like it will require a lot of work to make it fit with TMIC

[JSmith]

Are we deleting posts in here now?

"$449 for titanium adapter plate."?

[aviator79]

I deleted it myself...it does convey how I feel but decided no point of posting it here so deleted.

[5doorsoffury]

Well this is how i think of it. You always could buy a jmf..... for almost double. 449 for a plate, manifold that has been modified and a plug n play extention harness. This gets you a manifold that almost flows as good as a jmf and resists heat soak. This is not something for some one who wants a bolt on and done solution it takes some modification.
But so does suspension setups, meth kits, turbo lines and about half the stuff you do to your car.

The tmic i beleive will just be 2 brackets and some pipe. I wont stop until i get it to work.

[aviator79]

I already bought mani a few months ago cause I was bored but havent had time to mess with it. I did not realize the options were default selected to YES as I thought $449 was just flange. $299 for flange is better. Will look into it more when I get time.

[ericrapp0507@gmail.com]

I have a JMF manifold. Had it for a couple years. First run i think.
But just recently installed the latest rebuild.
Nothing against it.

But if this option was available at the time, the ST mani with adaptor plate would have been my choice. ST manifold looks awful but function wins

[Atomic41]

Can someone ... who install it on his SPEED3.

Can put a review here please ???

Any change on your SPEED3 ...

Thanks

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by Atomic41 Can someone ... who install it on his SPEED3. Can put a review here please ??? Any change on your SPEED3 ... Thanks

I have had it on my SPEED3 for nearly a year. What would you like to know? Flow data is here, I'm not sure what else could help your decision making process more.

[MS3Shadow]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 I have had it on my SPEED3 for nearly a year. What would you like to know? Flow data is here, I'm not sure what else could help your decision making process more.

maybe he wants to know if anything changed when you installed it on your SPEED3 and a review of that as well?

[KiwiFlavor]

Originally Posted by MS3Shadow maybe he wants to know if anything changed when you installed it on your SPEED3 ?

dat SPEED3 doe

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by MS3Shadow maybe he wants to know if anything changed when you installed it on your SPEED3 and a review of that as well?

Airflow increased, imbalance across cylinders was reduced when installed on my SPEED3.

[Atomic41]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 I have had it on my SPEED3 for nearly a year. What would you like to know? Flow data is here, I'm not sure what else could help your decision making process more.

is it worth it for the price ???

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by Atomic41 is it worth it for the price ???

Full disclosure: I have not looked at what price DM has decided to sell this for. I helped develop it over the last year, but do not work for DM.

The answer to that depends on your goals really. If you need to flow as much air as a JMF manifold, but prefer a better balance across cylinders, this manifold is definitely worth the cost. If you'd like more flow than an OEM manifold, and like balance across cylinders, it may even be worth the cost difference between a PnP manifold and this.

It's a tough question to answer individually. I have no idea what your goals are or what is currently on your car.

[Atomic41]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 Full disclosure: I have not looked at what price DM has decided to sell this for. I helped develop it over the last year, but do not work for DM. The answer to that depends on your goals really. If you need to flow as much air as a JMF manifold, but prefer a better balance across cylinders, this manifold is definitely worth the cost. If you'd like more flow than an OEM manifold, and like balance across cylinders, it may even be worth the cost difference between a PnP manifold and this. It's a tough question to answer individually. I have no idea what your goals are or what is currently on your car.

the better balance across cylinder give a smoother power delivery on better response time when you push accelerator ??? do you see any change between stock IM and DM IM or we just know by spec sheet it will be better but no change in everyday feeling ???

[5doorsoffury]

It give you direct port meth with a lot of flow. It would be mainly for balanced flow on a ko4 since the turbo can be maxed out very easily. When the PI version comes out it will be that much better.

[Atomic41]

so PnP our stock manifold vs this DM IM option ... which seem to be the best option for a Stage 2+ SPEED3 ?

So if I understand ... not really a big upgrade vs our OEM IM if it's just airflow balance and this don't bring power.

It's for a healthy motor that's it ???

[WetzMS3]

I have no idea what a "Stage 2+ SPEED3" is.

The ST manifold flows more air and is better balanced than a PnP manifold, as has been shown in this thread.

If you need more air to make more power, than this is better than a PnP manifold. If a PnP manifold flows enough air for your goals, then the reason to upgrade would be better balance.

There really is a lot of information in this thread, I suggest you read through the whole thread. Is the upgrade worth it on a k04 car not chasing a ton of power, probably not. Will some do it anyway for better balance, probably.

[Atomic41]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 I have no idea what a "Stage 2+ SPEED3" is. The ST manifold flows more air and is better balanced than a PnP manifold, as has been shown in this thread. If you need more air to make more power, than this is better than a PnP manifold. If a PnP manifold flows enough air for your goals, then the reason to upgrade would be better balance. There really is a lot of information in this thread, I suggest you read through the whole thread. Is the upgrade worth it on a k04 car not chasing a ton of power, probably not. Will some do it anyway for better balance, probably.

Ok !!!

So I wish they go out with a TMIC compatible DM IM soon ...

Thanks for your time sir

[5doorsoffury]

I was able to make it work. It's a pita with fat pipes and couplers. It could be done easier if i used smaller pipe and could weld/bend it into 1 or 2 pieces. I am not done still have some brackets to remake in steel and i want to see if my install rubs or does anthing after driving on it for a while.

I don't have any turbo lag and the car is just as reaponsive as before. My cold start stumble did get a bit more severe but no fucks given. No logs.

For a ko4 there is about as much gain as a jmf. It will be marginal at best. Other then some bnr s3 people on a tmic the majority of cars that can take advantage of the extra flow will most likely be useing a fmic. The manifold works the best with a passenger side hookup to the fmic due to the oil filter getting in the way. I did it because it was a challenge and i wanted to have it on the car instead of messing around with it for the first time when it comes to build time. I wish they would come out with a pi version already since i cant imagine where the 6th port coupler would go.

[Tomas]

My tumble flapper delete IM makes cold starts a total stumble fuck fest. Main reason I wouldn't go with this. That shit just annoys the fuck out of me. Going back to fully functioning stock tumble flaperoo IM.

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by Tomas My tumble flapper delete IM makes cold starts a total stumble fuck fest. Main reason I wouldn't go with this. That shit just annoys the fuck out of me. Going back to fully functioning stock tumble flaperoo IM.

You can change the cold start idle via the tune to mitigate. Makes it manageable if the temps are 60 deg F or above.

Edit: You've probably seen this thread but here it is anyways. Possible cold start fix

[Tomas]

I should have worded it differently.

I do not have a problem with a cold start high idle or problems getting the car to start.
Up to coolant operating temp the engine will stumble when you drive. Or hesitate on throttle input. Or slightly choke. Many ways to describe it. Reason being there isnt enough swirl in the combustion chamber when cold. That's the whole reason of the variable tumble mathingey. How the Focus ST gets around this I have no idea but it could be a different combustion chamber design.

[Dano]

this exactly with my setup. Even in summer 95* outside the 1st 2-3 minutes of driving you can't hold the throttle just off idle without it stumbling. you have to really give it some gas (=more airflow) to get past it. Its all in the tumble, or lack thereof. I've often thought about PNPing an OEM intake and reinstalling the VTCS system. but meh it's an (almost) daily driven racecar so not worth the effort.

I would imagine any ST IM will be the same.

[Tomas]

Originally Posted by Dano Its all in the tumble.

IT'S ALL IN THE MOTHERFUCKING TUMBLE

[5doorsoffury]

Most of the time i remote start my car so it can warm up a bit before i drive. This way i never have to worry about it's affects while driving (That and i fucking love a warm car in winter). When i dont have time for that i just blip the throttle while cranking to bypass cold start.

You dont have to wait for the motor to catch for the bypass to work so there is no worry of revving it up cold.

The cold start stumble can also cause a p300 misfire pending code if you always start it from a cold state.

I think the only reason it stumbles is because the ecu is expecting the behavior of the VTCS system. The FOST dosent have one so the ecu isn't coded for a VTCS start up so no stumble. It probably runs pig rich to get the cats up to temp like most cars.

[Mazdazilla6]

My car doesn't stumble on cold start when it's warm out. Usually give it a minute or two to warm up when it's cooler out.

I'd imagine you can tune out the stumble with some of the cold start tables.

[Dano]

Just to clarify, and like Tomas said, it has no problems starting or idling. Cold start logic runs as expected. It starts and idles just like a car with VTCS. It's only when you start moving (apply load to the motor) - opening the throttle plate slightly - that the stumble occurs. hard to explain I guess. Just crack the TP and the roughness occurs, just a cunt hair past that all is good again. I haven't tried tuning it out due to the difficulty in doing so since the car only does it for literally 2 minutes lol.

If I lived in a cold climate it would probably be too much to deal with and I'd just let the car idle for 5 minutes before driving it.

anyway I guess this is OT but wanted to clarify.



Tappin

[mituc]

Is there a kit for the TMICs yet? I reckon it's only some tubing required to replace the silicone elbow between the coldpipe and TB when in its normal position with a longer tube and about the same elbow but lower in the engine bay. Or it's more difficult than that?

[mituc]

Originally Posted by mituc Is there a kit for the TMICs yet? I reckon it's only some tubing required to replace the silicone elbow between the coldpipe and TB when in its normal position with a longer tube and about the same elbow but lower in the engine bay. Or it's more difficult than that?

So did anyone with a TMIC fitted the FOST IM with this kit?

@Farhan@DM, any plans for adding a TMIC kit to the existing kit?

[aviator79]

I live in a cold climate but on a back road where I can just drive slow as it warms up. I dont like to let car sit to warm up so I just start and go.


Still want to install my ST mani but cant afford the $300 price for the kit. Need job.

[Nitro]

I second Mituc....what is happening with the TMIC version??