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Matt@DamondMotorsports 05-19-2016 06:21 PM

We've been working on sumtin... manifold
 
So here's a glimpse of what we've been working on, and plan on making a kit for on the MS3 and MS6 platforms.

More info and data coming thoon...

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...psjwvwvbhu.jpg

wes3id 05-19-2016 06:27 PM

I'm intrigued!!!

derek13p 05-19-2016 06:35 PM

I understand the PI aspect.. But why the plastic mani from the ST?

Mazdazilla6 05-19-2016 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek13p (Post 3055370)
I understand the PI aspect.. But why the plastic mani from the ST?

Don't question it just be happy.

Shwa 05-19-2016 07:11 PM

I don't know anything about their manifolds so just a couple quick questions
They have the vtcs too? Or are the codes still going to be a thing?
How much does one of the st manis go for second hand?
Will the kits include a way of routing fmic piping or is it something you can easily grab?
Interesting for sure!

Gerbilo 05-19-2016 07:13 PM

Oh snap, that appears to be an even bigger #nipslip

¿dónde está @WetzMS3;? :wink1:

WetzMS3 05-19-2016 07:20 PM

#tittyslip .

Full frontal to come. You guys know the DM guys like to tease but always deliver.

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faeker 05-19-2016 07:29 PM

I have no immediate plans for PI so my question here would be this; will there be an option to plug the PI holes on the adapter?

TiGraySpeed6 05-20-2016 05:36 AM

Always interested in better flow balance between cylinders...

KiwiFlavor 05-20-2016 05:39 AM

So when can i buy this RS manifold??


:wetz:

Farhan@DM 05-20-2016 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faeker (Post 3055381)
I have no immediate plans for PI so my question here would be this; will there be an option to plug the PI holes on the adapter?

We've got something for your application.

Code Monkey 05-20-2016 06:08 AM

1 Attachment(s)
http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1463746069

KiwiFlavor 05-20-2016 06:09 AM

This is better than @WetzMS3; wet teaser pic!

Lex 05-20-2016 01:16 PM

Nicely done :).

No VTCS in the ST manifold. Also given the price of the manifold new ... well if it fits this is a win for the community.

Gerbilo 05-20-2016 01:48 PM

With the TB being right at the bottom on the FoST manifold and air flowing straight upwards, I'd imagine it flows more evenly across all cylinders since there is no "sharp bend" like ours has to cyl 4. Curious to see how it all got piped up. Also time to show this to a friend with a FoST so he can say it's crazy, which means that you folks are doing it right. #tittyslip .

alexwlwsn 05-20-2016 01:54 PM

IIRC in reading other forums the ST manifold flows nearly as well as a JMF and costs less than $100. Boy do I hope this becomes available soon.

nindoja 05-20-2016 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexwlwsn (Post 3055576)
IIRC in reading other forums the ST manifold flows nearly as well as a JMF and costs less than $100. Boy do I hope this becomes available soon.

An OEM part flowing nearly as well as a $1k aftermarket piece? You must be crazy sir, absolutely crazy.

alexwlwsn 05-20-2016 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nindoja (Post 3055584)
An OEM part flowing nearly as well as a $1k aftermarket piece? You must be crazy sir, absolutely crazy.

Looks like it was tested by SP63

Stock Intake Manifold Flow Data

MazdaspeedKills 05-20-2016 02:45 PM

This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s!

so excited may kmart ship my pants

SpeedRebirth 05-20-2016 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek13p (Post 3055370)
I understand the PI aspect.. But why the plastic mani from the ST?

We all know plastic is really light. Less weight = better acceleration and less understeer since it's positioned in front of the front axles. The CPE mani weighs like 40lbs according to their own site. This plastic mani can't weigh more than 5 ?

WetzMS3 05-20-2016 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MazdaspeedKills (Post 3055592)
This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s!

so excited may kmart ship my pants

:banana:

:bananalama:

Yatta 05-20-2016 03:07 PM

make it fit a TMIC and take my money.

MS3Shadow 05-20-2016 03:31 PM

+1 to make it fit with a TMIC.

sent from my Nexus 6P

Voltwings 05-20-2016 03:34 PM

i'm still wanting to use my TMIC as well, but I imagine its nothing just a 180* intercooler pipe and some couplers cant fix.

derek13p 05-20-2016 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedRebirth (Post 3055594)
We all know plastic is really light. Less weight = better acceleration and less understeer since it's positioned in front of the front axles. The CPE mani weighs like 40lbs according to their own site. This plastic mani can't weigh more than 5 ?

Less heat soak too, and the flow imbalance is a lot lower from the looks.
But I cant powdercoat it :(

Mazdazilla6 05-20-2016 04:01 PM

Will this be offered in red?? I want it to go with the color scheme in my engine bay.

wes3id 05-20-2016 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 (Post 3055633)
Will this be offered in red?? I want it to go with the color scheme in my engine bay.

What about the "top Secret" hush hush thing under the BMW cover and coke boxes????

Mazdazilla6 05-20-2016 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes3id (Post 3055635)
What about the "top Secret" hush hush thing under the BMW cover and coke boxes????

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...88918_2774.jpg

silvapain 05-20-2016 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek13p (Post 3055370)
I understand the PI aspect.. But why the plastic mani from the ST?


Balanced flow. The ST intake manifold goes straight down with 1&4 and 2&3 runners being equal length, instead of the drastically-sharp bend that air needs to make with the stock intake on our engines.

865ms3 05-23-2016 10:26 AM

I need this like meow. I'll ditch my v1 jmf and go this route for my pi setup.

Options are good. Thanks guys!


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Farhan@DM 05-23-2016 01:41 PM

About that track testing...


JakeMS3 05-23-2016 01:50 PM

Not bad, not bad at all. Subbed for outcome.

Dumbguy 05-23-2016 03:46 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Attachment 225597

Yatta 05-23-2016 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 (Post 3055633)
Will this be offered in red?? I want it to go with the color scheme in my engine bay.

Tamiya Color Spray for Polycarbonate

...impervious to fuel and oils... tuff stuff and many colors :)

ericrapp0507@gmail.com 05-23-2016 06:00 PM

yep
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeMS3 (Post 3056308)
Not bad, not bad at all. Subbed for outcome.

this is interesting. someone had their thinking cap on over there !
Hope to see this come to market

Mazdazilla6 05-23-2016 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yatta (Post 3056379)
Tamiya Color Spray for Polycarbonate

...impervious to fuel and oils... tuff stuff and many colors :)

Lol I was totally kidding but that's pretty damn cool!

Micha 05-23-2016 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farhan@DM (Post 3056307)
About that track testing...

http://youtu.be/ARODwLK91QI

Worst video recorder ever. Must be retarded.

LittleredMPS 05-24-2016 06:18 AM

Damn. Now this has potential. Really want this to happen.

Spectrix 05-24-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek13p (Post 3055370)
I understand the PI aspect.. But why the plastic mani from the ST?


Focus ST Intake Manifold flow bench tested:

Runner 1) 331 CFM
Runner 2) 336 CFM
Runner 3) 329 CFM
Runner 4) 337 CFM
Total) 1333 CFM
~2% flow imbalance


Mazdaspeed Intake Manifold:

Runner 1) 199
Runner 2) 235
Runner 3) 233
Runner 4) 192
Total) 859 CFM
~20% flow imbalance


Will the Focus ST plastic manifold go bang under boost?:

Realistically, probably not. It was pressure tested to 27 PSI on an ST head, which turned out to be the static float point of the stock intake valves (point at which the head leaks boost into the cylinder):

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0A00YmHuooA


Later on,it was pressure tested to 110 PSI on its own (sitting in a big bang proof enclosure) which only resulted in blowing couplers.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_uZGSsZH7YE



Edit: Food for thought: :D

http://www.focusst.org/forum/attachm...-997433366.jpg




TL;DR: Can't argue with hard data, that plastic manifold is legit.



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Lex 05-24-2016 01:51 PM

There are a lot of similarities between the ST and DISI ... like the throttle body bolt pattern and sizing :).

Also this really opens up the ability to run under-engine intercooler piping.

There are also advantages to plastic:
- heat rejection
- weight
- cost


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